The 60mm easily pulls a buggy, and the 50mm works great too. I was running the 50-2200 in my 8ight for a while and it did great. I've since switched to a 6s setup on in the 8ight with a MM and the 60-1300, and put the 50-2200 in my Revo with a MM on 4s. and I'm running the 60-1300. I ran the 60mm at the JBRL exhibition 1/8 scale race and it was great. Here's a
link to the video of the race that my wife shot on ricemans camera. I'm the only buggy running a black wing, car #4.