You guys seem to be on top of eveything. I've been doing some homework and yes RRP only has mod .8 and mod1 it looks like the mod .8 will definatly work and I've seen that Brian had actually posted on anothe thread about how they work well. I've ordered some from Mike and because they are not hardened I will also be getting some from RRP, But Mikes should be here soon so they should keep me going till I get some others. Mikes just came into stock the day after I posted this Thread and he was on top of it and sent me a msg. letting me know. Thanks for all the help. If any body else is using the mod .8 please post and let us know how they work