Yea right now cris at finedesign says, I cant run the neu water jacket because the diameter is to large and the motor wont fit so I have to use the coil. Anyway I'm running 2 -5s 6000mah packs in parallel for 12000 mah (I'm going for long run times about 45 minutes). I really like the sniper your doing that's a real nice size, and 12s should be a massive amount of power for it (maybe to much) and is 51000 rpm too much? Anyway cris wants to build me a 43'' challanger using a lehner 2280 on 8s and this winter I'll have him build it. As for the apache WOW! That thing is huge! When you build these get pics on this forum or email me some cause I would love to see them. O and I'm glad you changed the topic thanks bro!