[lincpimp]

Hmm, ZPB, I am not sure if I can concur with your statement. I think you are forgetting to throw efficiency in the mix.

My best example to date is the muggy I run. MMM with 6s 4500 30c flightpower lipo. I ran a Hacker c50 11xl and a neu 1521 1y. Same gearing, almost the same observed top speed, so kv must be pretty close with these motors. Since batt, esc, and motor temps were lower with the Neu I have to deduce that it is more efficient. The Hacker seemed to accelerate slightly faster, but since it was running warmer and the esc and batt were warmer it must have been pulling more amps to do this. The neu has more torque, no doubt about that, it will pull the wheels up at a higher speed than the hacker will.

I have owned 2 lehner motors, and they appear to be designed the same way as the hacker c50 series. Segmented magnet, and nicely laid windings. I did not run the lehners much, and did not have neus at the time to compare. I think the material quality of the winding must be better in the Lehner as they do run a bit cooler than the Hackers. I have run quite a few Hacker c50 L cans and think they are better than the medusa 60mm motors for buggy use.

I think that Plett makes a better motor than Neu, not much, but I did notice a difference. Problem with plett is the lack of kv choice. In the end I think Neu is the best motor for a larger heavier vehicle. A 1521 1y on 6s lipo with a MMM will move pretty much any 1/8 monster truck, and not have issues with big tires. That is what I will continue to run in my LST and Muggy.

If you (Byte) can get service from Lehner where you are go for it. If one of the plett models will fit the bill I would probably go for that over the lehner. Not sure about Hackers prices, if they are the same as the lehner prices I think the leher is a better motor.

Plett do make the best looking motor I have seen, very sexy!