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At this rate all cars will look and drive the same, regardless of the companies making them- all in the name of safety and to save money on manufacturing costs (one large company owning all the smaller ones & recycling parts, its rife in europe at the moment, but I dont know much about the American market).

Anyway, I got my MMM hold down today- it looks very nice mounted on the GorillaMaxx chassis- towards the rear rather than the front of the rear plate, since it was rather close to the motor for my liking.

Interesting about 'off the bat' being an English expression, I've always been fond of 'from the get-go' myself...