[Overdriven]

Maybe we can start a new thread for discussion solely about the discussion of the test procedure and their newer packs? No previous mishaps to be mentioned, then he might stick around. Be prepared not to gloss us over though, and data/graphs would help. I myself am concerned about longevity as MA says they are, data for this would help here too.

What's unfortunate here is both sides expect more than they are getting from each other. For different reasons. The ones who feel screwed and/or leary want information, explanations and admissions they aren't getting. And MA seems to want to give only simple answers, claims, and what seems to the other party as unsubstantiated information and to recieve some sort of praise for it. As I said it seems MA is starting moving in the right direction though with them doind some actual pack testing. So can we give them a chance in a new thread, and MA can we get "real" answers to "real" questions?

Edit: this was written before your last post BrianG, and I don't blame you or judge your moderating skills in this matter. I also don't mean to sound like a mod with either post, which after rereading kinda does to me.