hell,its fun takin people for rides in modded stuff in GTA4 on live,but there not doin much to a serious modder as they cant even track my 360 cause of my IP changing,i never do, but if i really wanted to i could torrent download all my games.there really not stopping a whole lot,we always find a way,just like the impenetrable copyright protection.if theres a nerd theres a way.and about paing for live,if you look at yesterdays PS3 CoDMW2 online shutdown,you see why we pay 5$ a month.--josh

on a side note,i dont play WoW and never will,thats a bit over the edge.