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Those 8ight-e 2.0's can be had for 650, but that comes w/ an esc and motor. Buy a 8ight 2.0 roller and convert yourself and save money or buy a tekno 2.0 kit and the rest on ebay and save even more if you wanted the losi.. I love mine and won't be changing for at least another year... at least.. If I didn't have a lot of spares and a full setup already for next year I would go for the Ve8 myself.. the battery tray is small but the hyperion cx packs fit perfect and are more than enough for a MMM combo or similar (4s 5k setup).