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Originally Posted by lincpimp
Keep in mind that the socialist views of the rest of the world is generally being paid for by America, as we have the largest amount of disposable income (maybe cause all of us selfish people are paying for our own health care) we have. We are the biggest "buyer" in the world... Just ask China (see how they are getting more capitalist), they know how to sell us stuff. Also take a look at how the UK was affected by the economic meltdown in the US... When we stop buying everyone else has to cough...
Nothing against socialism (well I do but that is just me) but when I go to a socialist country like the UK (where I am from) I can see the weight of the gov't pressing on the people and the general lack of money. Just my observation.
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I am personally also somebody that is not in favour for the one or the other.
My ideological preference is social oriented yess, but a general socialist run country is not ideal imo, for reasons you hint at.
A bit of socialism mixed with some libiral views, combining the best of 2 ideoligies is the best thing, I think. However that can sound a bit contradictory :)
(In belgium we had for about 10 years such a government: libirals + lefties (+ green) )
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Originally Posted by lincpimp
Keep in mind that the socialist views of the rest of the world is generally being paid for by America, as we have the largest amount of disposable income (maybe cause all of us selfish people are paying for our own health care) we have. We are the biggest "buyer" in the world... Just ask China (see how they are getting more capitalist), they know how to sell us stuff. Also take a look at how the UK was affected by the economic meltdown in the US... When we stop buying everyone else has to cough...
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okay, simply said the biggest economic power and (so far) no social welfare to match all that power..that is disturbing.
So, if I were an American with "european" vision, I would be thrilled by Obama's plans...:)
Ow and the main problem is the lack of government controll in the banking system in the US that caused the economic crisis with worldwide consequences.
US banks gave to much and to high credits to too many people who couldn't pay back their credits, that was the cause that started the whole thing.
All banks had assets and loans in other banks: US - European - Asian banks all connected to one another in some way.
It got bad in the US and the rest of the world had to pay the consequenses.
It was Reagan who had deregulated the control over the banks, and it is Obama again who is planning to put the banking world bank under strict controll.
Even in Europe, wich is already strictly controlled by the govermententities, they are going towards stricter regulations.
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Originally Posted by lincpimp
Nothing against socialism (well I do but that is just me) but when I go to a socialist country like the UK (where I am from) I can see the weight of the gov't pressing on the people and the general lack of money. Just my observation.
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hmm, isn't that almost a stereotipical narrowminded vision of the American tourist going outside his borders and making a arrogant remark?
That sounds like you actual believe that the UK has only poor people DUE to the social system that sucks out all the money and that the US is a country from wich the citizens only have benefits DUE to the lack of a system like in the UK?
please, how many people are in deep shit because of lack of a descent wellfare system?...
it doesn't take a degree in politics to see that the system in america causes a lot of dramatic situations. How many Americans don't have a healt care insurance? 30 million, or more?
And of the ones that do have one, wich of those insurance companies does actually help you out the way it should be I wonder :)
Like I already said, you guys have a history of "absolute freedom in every level" and introducing a system wich is based on solidarity and basically means 'to give money for the greater cause' is not something that will be accepted overnight.
PS: comparing the economic might of the UK with that of the US is not very wise since the UK is many times smaller and has 5 times less inhabitants...
If you would compare the US with the European Union, wich is a Economical Union (a collection of well organized social wellfare states vs the US) that is more like it.
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http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of...y_GDP_(nominal)
So, is our system that bad? or are some of you really that arrogant to deny the facts?