The toro motors are at HK now even cheeper same with the esc
motor
http://hobbyking.com/hobbyking/store...dProduct=14632
esc
http://hobbyking.com/hobbyking/store...dProduct=14635
I love my castle products and great support without a doubt
but not everyone can afford $300.00 for a motor esc combo or 180.00 for a motor on top of the base modle price
this can be had for less then $150.00 shipped with the program card
if they had a 1518 sized motor or 1520 I would try it because I cant swing the 125.00 they are selling for on ebay because I missed the castle clearance due to bills at the time. 80.00 I can do but untill I find that awsome buy I'm stuck