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TexasSP · 10.03.2011, 12:21 PM

Neil, if you really think their is no extremism outside of religion you should study more. Plenty of wars and conquerers have done damage with no religious affiliation what so ever.

The problem many that follow religion have is that they allow man to limit or attempt to control God, which is impossible. The other big issue is trying to put God the creator into our world and our understanding without allowing for possibilities that our understanding of God will never be complete as is constantly expanding.

Science works much this same way. Our understanding of it is constantly expanding and theories constantly change.

You also make the mistake in looking at believer like me and lumping them into one pot and calling it religion. The other mistake is assuming we some how stop seeking truth or never sought truth and just accepted something as is. Never in this do you really understand that first I am always still seeking truth and that I came to God while seeking answers. Again much them same way science is looked at.

A major problem people who become too religious have is not taking the bible as a whole and trying to understand everything as literal explanations. God in the beginning and through Jesus was never one to give literal explanations. For one reason it is easier for all to understand when using metaphors, comparisons, and parable versus literal explanations. But people move and try to put God inside their own box of their own understanding and limit him by that. If you truly believe in an all powerful God who is the creator of all, then trying to limit this by your personal abilities and understanding is pure fallacy. God gives us plenty of clues in references through out the Bible to show us all is not literal.

Another issue man kind stumbles with is time. Time is something man made for us to understand and document the passage of events. Time by God's own words means nothing to him. The biggest place were this can be seen as a mistake is in the creation story. So many want to be wrapped up in the 7 days when in actuality what we call a day and what God was referencing to is two different things. The creation story is about the events taking place, not the time. Days were given to use because we live by the day based on our earthly lives. It was an easy way for us to understand the sequence of events.

In God's way their is plenty of room for the earth to be billions of years old and for animals to have evolved at different points and for many to have come and gone. Man's mistake again was trying to limit God. It clearly states man came after animals so it was impossible by the Bible's own teaching for man to have been their when the first animal came about. The last thing created was man and after that God stopped and let everything go on it's own. That was the end of his direct hand in creation. The religious groups get so obsessed over the 6k year number they miss the point. That's about how long man has been here give or take, not how long the earth has existed. Again the earth by God's own teachings existed before man, so why keep trying to say the opposite.

The last thing I will part with is that many have the issue with God being as we cannot see, smell, feel, or touch him. I challenge your research into this scientifically as many things we believe that exist in science cannot be easily seen, smelt, felt, or touched. Case in point look into black matter. Something many scientists believe to be there, something that the laws of physics directs must be there, something that is being sought daily by many scientists. It is also something that as of yet has not been proven fact.

Closing one's mind is closing one's mind, doesn't matter if it's faith in God or understanding of science. All in all it's a bad thing.

As for suffering this always comes at the hand of man. What we as people should be doing is helping those in need as instructed by God.

Matthew 25:40

"And the King will say, 'I tell you the truth, when you did it to one of the least of these my brothers and sisters, you were doing it to me!"

James 1:27

"Pure and genuine religion in the sight of God the Father means caring for orphans and widows in their distress and refusing to let the world corrupt you"

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TexasSP Something, anything, nothing Offline Posts: 2,747 Join Date: Mar 2006 Location: Houston, TX	10.03.2011, 12:21 PM Neil, if you really think their is no extremism outside of religion you should study more. Plenty of wars and conquerers have done damage with no religious affiliation what so ever. The problem many that follow religion have is that they allow man to limit or attempt to control God, which is impossible. The other big issue is trying to put God the creator into our world and our understanding without allowing for possibilities that our understanding of God will never be complete as is constantly expanding. Science works much this same way. Our understanding of it is constantly expanding and theories constantly change. You also make the mistake in looking at believer like me and lumping them into one pot and calling it religion. The other mistake is assuming we some how stop seeking truth or never sought truth and just accepted something as is. Never in this do you really understand that first I am always still seeking truth and that I came to God while seeking answers. Again much them same way science is looked at. A major problem people who become too religious have is not taking the bible as a whole and trying to understand everything as literal explanations. God in the beginning and through Jesus was never one to give literal explanations. For one reason it is easier for all to understand when using metaphors, comparisons, and parable versus literal explanations. But people move and try to put God inside their own box of their own understanding and limit him by that. If you truly believe in an all powerful God who is the creator of all, then trying to limit this by your personal abilities and understanding is pure fallacy. God gives us plenty of clues in references through out the Bible to show us all is not literal. Another issue man kind stumbles with is time. Time is something man made for us to understand and document the passage of events. Time by God's own words means nothing to him. The biggest place were this can be seen as a mistake is in the creation story. So many want to be wrapped up in the 7 days when in actuality what we call a day and what God was referencing to is two different things. The creation story is about the events taking place, not the time. Days were given to use because we live by the day based on our earthly lives. It was an easy way for us to understand the sequence of events. In God's way their is plenty of room for the earth to be billions of years old and for animals to have evolved at different points and for many to have come and gone. Man's mistake again was trying to limit God. It clearly states man came after animals so it was impossible by the Bible's own teaching for man to have been their when the first animal came about. The last thing created was man and after that God stopped and let everything go on it's own. That was the end of his direct hand in creation. The religious groups get so obsessed over the 6k year number they miss the point. That's about how long man has been here give or take, not how long the earth has existed. Again the earth by God's own teachings existed before man, so why keep trying to say the opposite. The last thing I will part with is that many have the issue with God being as we cannot see, smell, feel, or touch him. I challenge your research into this scientifically as many things we believe that exist in science cannot be easily seen, smelt, felt, or touched. Case in point look into black matter. Something many scientists believe to be there, something that the laws of physics directs must be there, something that is being sought daily by many scientists. It is also something that as of yet has not been proven fact. Closing one's mind is closing one's mind, doesn't matter if it's faith in God or understanding of science. All in all it's a bad thing. As for suffering this always comes at the hand of man. What we as people should be doing is helping those in need as instructed by God. Matthew 25:40 "And the King will say, 'I tell you the truth, when you did it to one of the least of these my brothers and sisters, you were doing it to me!" James 1:27 "Pure and genuine religion in the sight of God the Father means caring for orphans and widows in their distress and refusing to let the world corrupt you" www.cubicle101.com A friends comic strip website.