No more hijacking the other thread.

[Mozzy]

Originally Posted by RC-Monster Mike

You may want to heed your own advise, my friend. Of these "commercially available conversions" you mention - I would bet that nobody offers the range of conversion parts that RC-Monster does - nobody is even close to the number of vehicle conversion parts we offer(so I would say we are the majority) - and it is true that most or all of our mounts offer an allotment for mechanical brakes....BUT the majority use motor braking and not mechanical braking - and by a longshot.
Your quote of mechanical braking being more predictable isn't true, either - the fact is that electric motor braking will be more consistent - no mechanical parts to wear or cause fade. Electric braking can also be tuned for far more braking force vs. mechanical brakes. Don't confuse predictable or tunable handling with predictable braking - the electric brakes will be the same every time without fading(consistent and therefore predictable).
Using pure mechanical brakes will lower motor temps, and having the opportunity to adjust brake bias can have its tuning benefits as well - along with its detriments. I would say it is largely user preference - the mechanical brake's ability to tune bias can improve handling at the expense of more weight, complexity and work to get set up(worthwhile tradeoff to some, but certainly not the majority). Any "commercial" electric vehicle on the market uses motor braking - the idea of mechanical brakes was born because nitro vehicles have to use mechanical brakes - one benefit of electric is the simplicity - brakes come with the power system.

Basically, there is no "right" or "wrong" way to get it done, but simply different strategies and preferences that vary from user to user. There are far more bashers in the hobby than there are racers, and a basher will almost always prefer the simple electric motor braking - easy to install, easy to convert their vehicle and nothing to really tune - plug and play convenience at its best. A racer is far more likely to experiment with mechanical braking to tune front/rear bias, but this will be a matter of preference as well. Some like it, some don't. There is no right or wrong, but simply differing opinions and preferences. Personally, I think the "best" way to do it may be a hybrid setup - a small servo to mechanically brake the rear only, and motor braking for the center diff itself - a small servo can be used for minimal weight, and front/rear bias can be effectively tuned on your radio(with channel mixing). The tunability of pure mechanical brakes, but with lower weight, increased simplicity(mechanically) and easier "right now" tuning through the radio. I use motor braking on most of my stuff, though - the fact is driving electric vehicles is different than driving nitro vehicles, and I rather enjoy the pure simplicity of this strategy(and on about 95% of the tracks I race on, I haven't felt disadvantaged without the front/rear bias tunability) - I won't force my opinions on anyone else, though - or bother calling names and throwing stones at those who disagree.

Crikey you write alot.

Let's get a few things straight. I didn't write that stuff about mechanical braking, I copied it from the Tekno site.
It was really the first sentence I was after, but, doesn't matter now.

About RC Monster's shop, it's a shame the postage is so high, as the products are good, but, I'm looking out for my pocket not yours & will source things as cheaply as I can & Impakt offer Monster parts slightly cheaper, but, the postage is alot less, go figure.
I bought the XL heat sink & Revo batt tray from you & was ripped a new one on postage. I bought two conversion mounts for my X1CRT & Kanai buggy which are both Monster products as you would know, plus 3 pinions, Neu end bell cover & a Neu motor from Impakt. Postage was only $20. I spent over $400 with them. If you're the same place, you got my business anyway, if not, you lost me.
You don't offer a LST 2 conversion though, why not?
Even just a universal motor mount & battery tray would be good. People can figure the rest out on their own.
I've used the Tekno Revo battery tray slightly modified (cut the mounting lugs off each end) to fit my truck & it's a very good fit too.
Brake bias on a truggy or buggy is a requirement for me when racing (as I do), the added weight of it, isn't an issue when running these motors & batteries. My truck is still going to be lighter as electric than it was as a nitro. What's an extra 50g? Not alot to worry about with all that power. About my comment on "the majority" these are done by you, so, I was right there as you stated this yourself, you are the majority & there's nothing wrong with that.
Again, I got the info straight from another site about braking predictability, I never wrote it, someone else did. I just copied & pasted it, because, it was the info I was looking for at the time.
Brake force won't make any difference to me on a loose surface as you can't utilise it anyway. Maybe on tarmac or blue groove it'd make a difference due to the available grip. Also, I never have issues with fading brakes on a track, my LST 2 has gone from 2 discs to one without any detrimental effects on braking power or any type of fading & it took me all of 5mins to set up tonight on the coffee table with my radio, 3PKS.

Of course there is a difference driving nitro compared to electric. I've flown nitro heli's for 12yrs & then picked up an electric & ripped holes in the sky without having the fear of a flameout, I loved the available instant power. Now, as I've found lately with nitro >> brushless conversions, there's no crappy lag waiting for the motor to spool up & get on the pipe, it's instant & this factor has swayed me majorly towards all my cars being converted.

I still have to run a nitro truggy (due to ) though as I'm sponsored. He hates the idea that I've "defected" to electric (), but, when he saw my mates Revo go he soon looked more seriously at it's benefits & will be getting conversion kits in. Would you wholesale to him for the buggy/truggy stuff?? If so, let me know as I can definitely send alot of business your way, we've been talking alot about it. I'm the MORRCC ( www.morrcc.com )race director most of the time (when I can make it) & there are some very interested punters already, I just need to get one of my cars running to show people how easy it really is & cheap too.

I hope to be able to turn up on race day with 4-5 packs, my tx, car, charger & a few spares & run reliably all day without all the nitro support gear, starter box, glow plugs, fuel, etc.

It's this that is a big selling point to others.

Mike & Rene, I didn't come to this site to bitch, moan & argue with anyone. I came to get the info I required to get things happening down under with off road 1/8 brushless conversions.
Everyone thinks it's too expensive & I'm trying to show them it's not & far more benefical to everyone, including marshalls & racers alike.

This IS the way of the future, I won't deny it. I just hope I'm still around to see it.