Shonen's brushless projects

[Shonen]

I've got several projects in the works, but to spare the clutter of several threads I will put everything just in one. DrKnow65 wanted me to post up my insane types of builds, so here it is. I'm not gonna post a lot of initial pictures, let me know if you guys want to see more and I'll gladly put up more.

First off: my ERBE (E-Revo Beast Edition :p). I originally bought this off eBay as a 5605 model, without original radio and motors/ESC but with a Futaba 3PM 2.4GHz and Novak HV 6.5 system. I then bought a Mamba Monster combo and 17mm hexes so it was a 'true' ERBE, but then Castle decided to have a garage sale and the 1515 was replaced with a 1717. It didn't run too quick on 4s, my setup with the 1515, so I replaced the Mamba Monster recently with a Mamba XL. This gives me 4s and 8s (and everything in between) flexibility, a BEC powerful enough to power the servo, fans and LEDs by a considerable margin, and of course, data logging.

I've only taken one video of it, and it's during the night with Thunder Tiger ST-1 truggy tires on it...not very grippy. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nbC0yutQ3aw Attached also is the log during that run. Not very impressive, but I did manage to pull 2550W the next day on dry grass. Now that the ST-1 tires are off and some Zombie-Maxes are on, I want to see the real power output of the truck...



Motor: Castle/Neu 1717 1580Kv
ESC: Castle Creations Mamba XL
Battery: 2x Turnigy 4s 4500mAh Nanotech 25/50C
Servo: Hitec HS-7955TG (Pro-Line steering arm, Racer's Edge horn)
Gear: 24/54 0.8M (experimental, will go back to 23/40 1.0M)
Suspension: TRX Blue front Purple rear, AE 80wt shock oil, P3 rockers
Mods/upgrades:
- AE NTC3 receiver box, relocated to empty servo space
- LST2 diff/axle swap, ~400kwt front ~100kwt rear
- Mugen Seiki 17mm hubs (MBX6)
- HPI dogbones in center, RC-Monster drive cups
- Homemade mistercrash style aluminum slipper pad
- Tekno 2.2mm sway bars front/rear
- RPM suspension arms
- JConcepts rear mount, Losi 8ight wing, nitro Revo rear bumper
- Rear shock mount raised 2mm
- Traxxas motor mount lapped, anti-backing screw+washer in motor mount post


Another semi-interesting thing I've done with the Revo family is an outrunner style 3.3 conversion. I never actually owned a 3.3, this was bought off eBay and assembled as parts off of an E-Revo, Revo 3.3, T-Maxx 3.3, Summit and Slayer Pro. It originally had a Mamba Max Pro + LRP Vector X-12 4.0 in it out of my TC5R, but that setup (predictably) ran very hot and was rather slow. It currently has a Turnigy outrunner and a Phoenix ICE 100 (from a one-off project mentioned later), but I would like this to run on a MMP...just waiting on it to be returned from Castle's excellent repair department.

In the photos, I have them on bare rims...these were 14mm hex rims I got in the eBay auction for my E-Revo, and the tires exploded. I use these rims for drifting. haha!



Motor: Hobbyking 500H 1600Kv
ESC: Castle Creations Phoenix ICE 100 (soon Mamba Max Pro)
Battery: Zippy Flightmax 6s 2650mAh 20/30C
Servo: Traxxas 2075 (single)
Gear: 15/36 1.0M, AE clutchbell, HPI shoes/springs on Tekno Elektri-Clutch 3-shoe; standard Revo 3.3 transmission ratios
Suspension: TRX 2Yellow front 2Orange rear (Summit), Mugen Seiki 60wt shock oil, P2 rockers
Mods/upgrades:
- E-Revo receiver box on extra servo space (guess where that came from)
- custom aluminum battery tray
- Tekno 36mm v3 motor mount on custom steel plate to mate with the TRX engine mount
- TRX Extended wheelbase rear arms
- two stock brake discs (won't work as well as the vented one, but was worth a try for $3)
- 40mm motor fan, mounted with interesting results


Next off is a mini scale, the Associated RC18T2/B2 kit. I got rather ambitious with this one, and in both of its phases I believe I was the first to pull it off. As soon as it came out I put in my order, I am fairly sure I was the first one in Hawaii to buy one.

Version 1: Castle powered screamer with a 4200Kv motor. ...wait what? How is that motor gonna be a screamer? Cause it was gonna run on 6s... (:

I'm well aware that on 6s the motor is almost at 100krpm, but I've had my 1:10 motor (Orion 2.5) at higher RPM for much longer and it's fine. It does heat up extremely quickly, which is why v1 was just to be silly and to have a stupid-fast RC18. 70mph? easy.



Motor: Castle Creations CM20-4200
ESC: Castle Creations Mamba Max Pro
Battery: 3x Turnigy 2s 800mAh 20/30C 'long'
Servo: Blue Bird BMS-376DMG+HS (drilled out servo horn, modified servo mount)
Gear: 12/60 0.6M
Suspension: Hot Racing chrome onroad springs front/rear, Mugen Seiki 60wt shock oil
Mods/upgrades:
too many to list here conveniently

Version 2: Just as I was wondering what to do with the chassis, Castle decided to have their garage sale...long story short, the new setup was a CM26-4600 and a Sidewinder. This was 'just' on 2s, but I don't think anyone has fit a CM26 in the RC18-2 before. It was much slower (which was good), and handled quite nicely when using 1:10 scale wheels. The torque and temperatures was most appreciated over the original setup.



Motor: Castle Creations CM26-4600
ESC: Castle Creations Sidewinder
Battery: Elite 2s 2200mAh 35/45C
Servo: Blue Bird BMS-376DMG+HS (drilled out servo horn, modified servo mount)
Gear: 23/60 0.6M/48P
Suspension: Hot Racing chrome onroad springs front/rear, Mugen Seiki 60wt shock oil
Mods/upgrades:
too many to list here conveniently

And lastly, a one-off project that was completed in September last year. Not sure what you guys will think of it, since there are no motors in the drivetrain... :p
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YKye7j-QDbY

[simplechamp]

You got some wild stuff man. Since you live in Hawaii and have water all around you need to throw some Jumbo Kong tires on that last one and turn it into a hovercraft! LOL

Hehe, that EDF powered revo is cool! I like the black 1/8 revo too. Nice cars :)

[snellemin]

sweet rigs mang.

[DrKnow65]

Thanks for posting all this up!!! reminds me I need to put some time into my profile

Were you running the 1717 on 8S in the data log? Love to know what it ends up spinning at max RPM, max amps, and how the ripple is with the Turnigy's.

I have a 1717, 2x 4S 5000mah 40/50C's, and a RCM universal motor mount that could one day power an associated MGT with another XL.
For now it's going 6S with a MMM in a Losi 8ight T E that I should have delivered some time this week.

The Revo looks cool, you got a lot of wires to deal with running those paired connectors though.
I have to say I like the Castle 6.5mm's better but they are stiff to plug and unplug, hoping they'll wear in a bit.
Need to shoot some daytime vids bro

Got any video's of that rc18 when it had the CM26?
And good job with the for sale description, I can't imagine you missed ANYTHING

P.s. commented on both your vids on youtube, and just out of coinsidence my "hyper 7 8S lipo Mamba XL" was the next video in the auto playlist :-)

[Shonen]

You got some wild stuff man. Since you live in Hawaii and have water all around you need to throw some Jumbo Kong tires on that last one and turn it into a hovercraft! LOL

haha! thanks man. I have a friend looking into throwing together an RC boat (he has the hull but nothing else), but personally I like staying away from salt water. things rust fast enough as it is in Hilo, 90% humidity is not friendly with metals. ):

Hehe, that EDF powered revo is cool! I like the black 1/8 revo too. Nice cars :)

thank you! I thought that the mono black paint scheme would be boring...as I'm not a skilled painter, the best I could do was to put some flake over the black and stick some 8mm white/5mm blue LEDs on the front and some wide angle 5mm yellow/red LEDs on the back. (:

There's actually an in-depth writeup on the EDF-Revo with build photos on Greyscale Racing here. Unfortunately, the EDF-Revo is no more. ): Most of the guts were sold to my friend to build an E-Revo from scratch. However, the chassis and some of the components were kept for the 3.3 'conversion' I'm currently working on, so it wasn't a complete waste Plus, it was a great exercise in engineering...which I enjoyed immensely, perhaps more than actually driving it around. Not to say it wasn't interesting, it's quite something to experience when you're used to conventional land vehicles...keeping the throttle at a certain point and having the truck continue to accelerate takes some getting used to.

sweet rigs mang.

thanks!

Were you running the 1717 on 8S in the data log? Love to know what it ends up spinning at max RPM, max amps, and how the ripple is with the Turnigy's.

I was indeed, although it was with the ST-1 tires which are smaller and much narrower than MT style tires. The log I took is here. I took another one today that I didn't download yet with the Zombie-Max tires on, but the weather has been uncooperative and the grass was wet. |: I've only run the XL with the 1717, the old Mamba Monster system is actually being sold (tonight!) to my same friend that bought EDF-Revo's guts to make his ERBE spec as well.

In case the image isn't accessible for some of you interested, the headlines are as follows:
- Max Current: 92.2A (2556W)
- Max Ripple: 2.15v
- Max RPM: 43256rpm
- Max Temp: 134°F
and roughly 800mAh in 3 minutes.

The Revo looks cool, you got a lot of wires to deal with running those paired connectors though.
I have to say I like the Castle 6.5mm's better but they are stiff to plug and unplug, hoping they'll wear in a bit.
Need to shoot some daytime vids bro

Haha yeah. I needed versatility since I want to be able to run it on both 8s and 4s... I would put 6.5mm bullets on everything but I own more things from Hobbyking than I'd like to admit so I'll keep the batteries with 4mm Not to mention my fan and body LED harnesses add to the clutter. Relocating the receiver box really helped though, plus I don't need a hex wrench to download my logs.

Note: it's kind of weird but a couple of the Castle bullets are loose. I just assumed they were smooshed in shipping, cause most of them (especially on the Monster ESC) are very tight.

I will shoot some daytime video next time the weather is cooperative and I have a cameraman. (:

Got any video's of that rc18 when it had the CM26?
And good job with the for sale description, I can't imagine you missed ANYTHING

P.s. commented on both your vids on youtube, and just out of coinsidence my "hyper 7 8S lipo Mamba XL" was the next video in the auto playlist

There actually is a video up of the CM26 equipped buggy but it's got some slightly NSFW humor (commentary by friends) but it has a hilarious ending.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OE3jgotot-g
It's got on 1:10 wheel adapters and HPI A-compound drift tires on HPI TE-37 +3mm rims. The car is too light (and diffs too open) to drift properly. At the very least, the rocklike rubber compound prevents traction rolling. :p It is still for sale though...I don't use it anymore.

Also, thank you for the video comments! To answer your questions...

1. the LEDs are mainly for show, they do light up the ground but realistically they are just there to show me what direction it's pointing at night. Believe it or not, you need two headlights and taillights to drive properly. I tried with just a beacon (single LED in the front) and I was crashing into everything. The spacing of the LED's really helps tell you where it's pointing.

2. The whole reason why I used the 3.3 chassis was for the braking, lol. It's actually my fourth EDF-powered land vehicle...first was an Xmod gen 1 (55mm), second was my original RC18B (same 55mm), third was a TT-01 (3.5"). The Xmod had such a high CoG that it would tip over before it hit top speed, and the RC18 went too slow to cause problems. Because the TT-01 was the first that could reach fairly rediculous ground speeds, I decided that brakes were necessary from now on. ...believe it or not, I've taken the 4.5" EDF and T600 motor and put it back in the TT-01 and it now has a braking system too. Project still in progress.

I have more videos on my local community's channel, my personal Youtube is under 'aotsukisho' so that's me commenting on the vids. All RC vids are tagged [RC] on digitalcomplex so just do a search and all the RC related stuff we do should show up.

2.5kw is impressive. I would imagine that it can go much higher too though.

1717 is rated for 8s or?

What is the pinion/spur gear here ? I guess you have massive amounts of torque with that setup.

Also, do you have a build link or a writeup for the outrunner project? Would love to read that mate! :)

[DrKnow65]

Thanks for posting up the data log, that's very close to what I was getting with my 1518 geared 18/47 in the hyper 7... I was expecting a lot more average current, that looks like it will work awesome in the 8ight T now I just gotta wait for it to show up so I can start figuring out how to mount it

Dj Sparky, the max rpm on the 1717 is 45,000rpm. In the data log Shonen posted it spun a max of 43,256rpm.

Originally Posted by DrKnow65

Thanks for posting up the data log, that's very close to what I was getting with my 1518 geared 18/47 in the hyper 7... I was expecting a lot more average current, that looks like it will work awesome in the 8ight T now I just gotta wait for it to show up so I can start figuring out how to mount it

Dj Sparky, the max rpm on the 1717 is 45,000rpm. In the data log Shonen posted it spun a max of 43,256rpm.

Ok, that's still very nice. But what were you refering to?

[lincpimp]

He was saying that the 1717 is rated for 45k rpm and in the log it did 43k rpm so in that application it is fine for 8s lipo.

Given my experience on 6s lipo the 1717 is a stout motor.

Saw a vid on youtube with a Savage on 6s lipo with the 1717, on gravel/dirt, and the torque seemed monstreous. It was by a poster here. Bondonutz I think it was, or you, Linc?

It looked like it would wheelie if he just gunned it, so I'm guessing a car that is extended or front heavy enough to prevent wheelies is even more extreme with the 1717.

Since the 1717 produced 2.5kw in a lightweight app like the Revo, I wonder how much more it can produce in a slightly heavier vehicle? Anyone got some other stats from other apps with even higher results?

[Shonen]

2.5kw is impressive. I would imagine that it can go much higher too though.

1717 is rated for 8s or?

What is the pinion/spur gear here ? I guess you have massive amounts of torque with that setup.

Also, do you have a build link or a writeup for the outrunner project? Would love to read that mate! :)

I've heard of other people that will be using it on 8s. According to calculations, the 1717 will do 46768rpm on 8s at 3.7v/cell, I figured even at 4.2v/cell (17% over limit) it will not spin at unloaded Kv due to driveline and aerodynamic drag. It worked out perfectly.

The pinion/spur combo I was using on the ERBE during the video/log was 24/54 0.8M. I changed it tonight to 23/40 1.0M.

And the outrunner project is my Revo 3.3 chassis (: It will be inactive until I get my Mamba Max Pro back though. All of these projects are either nearly completed or progressing slowly, so I'd rather keep them in one thread. Easier for me to find stuff :p

Thanks for posting up the data log, that's very close to what I was getting with my 1518 geared 18/47 in the hyper 7... I was expecting a lot more average current, that looks like it will work awesome in the 8ight T

not a problem, and the amp draw was quite low indeed. I'll try and see if I can find an overgrown grassy area to load the motor up higher and see what I can get. My ERBE weighs in at 11lbs ready to go, not exactly a Muggy's worth of truck.

Given my experience on 6s lipo the 1717 is a stout motor.

for standard bashing, running it on 4s is 'enough' and it doesn't get hot no matter how rough you are with the throttle. I don't have any 6s batteries large enough to handle the ERBE to try it on 6s.

It looked like it would wheelie if he just gunned it, so I'm guessing a car that is extended or front heavy enough to prevent wheelies is even more extreme with the 1717.

Since the 1717 produced 2.5kw in a lightweight app like the Revo, I wonder how much more it can produce in a slightly heavier vehicle? Anyone got some other stats from other apps with even higher results?

It does wheelie but if I'm careful I can reach top speed without it. The Revo never reached the 120A rating of the 1515 on 4s, the highest amp spike I got was around 85A geared 23/36 and with Duratrax Raze ST tires (6.1" diameter).

I am interested too, as the Revo can't bring out the best of the 1717. It sounds a lot better than the 1515 though, which was unexpectedly nice. (:

Oh, and I forgot to mention...probably down to superior hardware and probably software, but I was not able to make my Mamba XL cog with the 1717 regardless of what it was doing. Uphill, no problem. Huge gearing, no problem. How the hell? Props, Castle!

I'm guessing that you are referring to the 1515/1y? If so, I would be very interested in the amp draw on 6s with that thing. 85A on 4s with that gearing sounds very good though, still lots to go.

[Shonen]

Yep, it's the 2200Kv from the Castle Monster combo. Not cool enough to have a custom Neu.

[Shonen]

sorry for the long null in updates. One of my ERBE's rear tires started to wobble terribly, turns out it was due to my terrible taping job. I redid it and put it back on, and shot some videos today. Unfortunately, a guy walking his dogs kind of spoiled my wanting to do speed runs, but I did get some pretty epic bashing in. I found out I need to loosen the slipper clutch cause all it would do is wheelie.


Mamba Max Pros came back to me!

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=io1B6naI9tM
outrunner conversion'd Revo running at a park. I have to reset the shift point slightly lower however, as it will not shift once the battery has been drained a bit.

and now...


fixed my wobbly rear tire, my noob tape job had come off. I removed the old tape, and stuck on some new Gorilla Tape (staggered this time).

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-gx3Y6Mcbrc
Running the E-Revo Beast Edition at the park. I was originally gonna try for speed runs on the field, but some guy was playing with his dogs so I ended up just bashing on the other half of the park. I'll get the datalog up tomorrow. (: