Need info setup for Brushless Savage X SS

Hello,

I am new on this site. I have a Savage X SS with an engine Picco .28 (powerful enough!). I want to buy another Savage X SS to convert with a brushless motor.

I have already made a lot of tests with my RC18MT, tests are expensive. I do not want to buy 5 motors and 3 ESC to find the right setup of Savage. So I spent several hours on the Web to find the best setup but nobody gives their results. I have a Savage nitro powerful and I want a brushless Savage as powerful if not more.

I noticed that on your site, a lot of people doing testing. Can anyone give me better or a good setup? I want running with a 4s to 6s and keeping my 2 speed tranny.

Very thanks to all!

Get a Quark Monster 125B speed control, (good for 6s) and a Neu 1521 1y motor. Blow away nitro like its tied to a post!

Thanks Fast5sRevo88,

With this setup, I will have more power that my nitro?

What battery me advice you to go with the "Savage Tranny Forward brushless conversion"?

Thanks a lot!

[jhautz]

The 1521 1y is a crazy powerful motor. I have one in my Revo and its a bit on the crazy side for me. Run time suffers a bit from the sheer size of he motor IMO

I run a much smaller motor than that and blow away any nitro savage around. I'm running a Lehner 1940/7 on 5s lipo and a BK 12020 speed control. Rolling wheelies at 30 mph and 50+ MPH top speeds.

Any decent brushless system will make your nitro savage look silly.

The Quark 125B as recomended above would be good as long as you get a heat sink for it, the MGMs when they come back in stock in a few days should be a great option again. Mike just had his entire stock sent back to the factory to have the latest update done, so all the goofy little issues with them should be fixed now.

Of course... The Mamaba Monster Maxx could eventually show up as well... But I wouldnt hold my breath for it at this point. Who knows when thats actually gonna happen.

Greetings fellow Savage fans. I am jrc, from www.bannedrc.com.
I, too, am new to this particular forum as well as the whole brushless Lipo craze. But not new to Savagery. I have two and a half nitro Savages plus a nearly completed FLM/Addicted2RC black ano tranny forward BL Savage.

I am also suffering from not having a clue as to which motor/esc/battery set up to use. All the different types of motors and all the different specs on the motors and esc give me a headache. I have looked at so many they all are looking about the same.
I trust that most every suggestion here "will work" for a motor/esc set up. I am also quite sure that y'all are convinced that you have the "best" set up. I am not here to argue any of it. Rather discuss it in order for me to get the "right one" for me.
I want my BL Savage to obviously be wicked as hell but I also want it to be useable and not just a silly novelty. I souped up my AErc18b to the hilt and regret it a little bit. Even with the lesser powered 6800kv Mamba competition set up it simply will not get traction - anywhere - any type of tire thus far.
I do not want this with my Savage. Rolling wheelies at 30 MPH sounds real cool to me for sure as does the 50+ top speed.
I guess what I want to know is why do y'all say to get "X" type motor rather than "Y" type motor and ESc and so on.
As I recall the prototype for the BL Savage used a Feigao Motor. 9XL I think it was. Yet y'all have not suggested that motor in this thread. Why?
Again, I am simply being the Devil's Advocate here trying to decide the smart way to go. Like the other fella who started this thread, I haven't the money to experiment and play around with different set-ups.

but I will take a moment to give props to FLM and Addicted2RC for all their help in getting me into this BL Savage kit. They have been fantastic in their customer service skills. I got to go see where they make these kits and was duly impressed. Quite the setup Jamie has over there.

I would appreciate knowing which gear ratio y'all are using also. I was going to purchase a whole "set" of pinion gears but the more I read about the subject, I am starting to think it doesn't really matter that much due to the power of the brushless. I also think my three speed will be better suited for one of my nitro rigs rather than this BL kit the way it is looking.
http://s256.photobucket.com/albums/h.../Tango%20Done/ Here are a few pics of the Lid I painted for the BL Savvy. This is a JConcepts Tango lid made specifically for a Revo 3.3. A little modification to the rear body mount was all that was needed to mount it to the Savage. Perhaps a little bit finky looking due to the longer wheelbase but it;ll do to take out and beat the hell out of. I was not very well pleased with my paint work on this shell this time but practice makes.....well, more practice.
S'all I got for now fellas. Try to not laugh too hard at my paint work. This was only the 4th or 5th one I have done with an airbrush.

[Serum]

the quark 125b will not work on 6S lipo's; the 1521 will be much more powerful than the picco .28; a 1515 would be more powerful to start with; 5S would put the picco to shame, 6S will be incredible powerful. (with the right quality of cells) for a good 6S controller, wait for the MMM or get an MGM.

[bl-is-future]

Originally Posted by Serum

the quark 125b will not work on 6S lipo's; the 1521 will be much more powerful than the picco .28; a 1515 would be more powerful to start with; 5S would put the picco to shame, 6S will be incredible powerful. (with the right quality of cells) for a good 6S controller, wait for the MMM or get an MGM.

Serum -
I always hear to get good quality cells. What are the best quality for the money. For example i have maxamps now and like them but they seem a little too pricey for the performance. I dont mind spending that much but would like the power delivery to be better. Any suggestions??? Going the MMM on 6s with a neu (not sure what one yet). Thanks

[jhautz]

Originally Posted by Serum

the quark 125b will not work on 6S lipo's

I dont think this is a correct statement Serum. I have run th 125b on 6s many times. It does act a little quirky on an fully charged 6s pack, but it does work. Granted...not as well as it should for being rated for 6s.

[lincpimp]

I run a quark 65 on 6s in a buggy and it works fine. I am sure that if I geared it to do 60mph it would not work well. Many problems are gearing related, from what I have found.

Ok, If I put a NEU 1521, what do I need for a well functioning and not to exceed the amp (ESC)???

I have no idea the number of amps that can consume such an motor on a 5s or 6s.

I was on the point of me deciding to buy a Quark Monster, but with what the other wrote above ... It might be necessary that I find something better.

I know that many people give their ideas and I am very grateful, but there must exist someone on this planet who has a BL Savage who wants to tear everything, works very well and is willing to give me his setup!!!

I need TRUE SETUP FUNCTIONAL...

Help me please...!!

Thanks

[rctruckguy]

if money wasnt an object what would be the ultimate brushless set-up for a savage x

Originally Posted by rctruckguy

if money wasnt an object what would be the ultimate brushless set-up for a savage x

Good luck finding THAT out. I'm still waiting for an answer on what is the ultimate setup to get when money IS an object....

I just wish someone would post up some usable info rather than subjectivity. Perhaps a range of motors and ESCs that "will work" and then those that "will work" best. I stuck a Mamba MAxx and 5700 kv motor in mine and Castle Creations said it wasn't powerful enough to run the BL Savage. But they offered no reasonable alternative other than to "wait until the MMM comes out".....I could be dead by then since no one knows when that is supposed to be.

[bl-is-future]

Originally Posted by jrc

Good luck finding THAT out. I'm still waiting for an answer on what is the ultimate setup to get when money IS an object....

I stuck a Mamba MAxx and 5700 kv motor in mine and Castle Creations said it wasn't powerful enough to run the BL Savage.

I have direct input for the MM and the stock 5700 motor. It has plenty of power to sling your heavy trucks around. It is the shaft that is the week point. With all of the torque with the weight of the vehicle it snaps the shaft with just about any off roading. My setup at the moment is MM with 8xl 16t pinion and 47t metal spur with FLM BL kit for the savage all running on 40 series beadlocks and 4s of maxamps 5000mah. It performs very well with more power and speed than the nitro engine it had, but i am a balls to the walls guy so i am working on a MMM, Neu 1521 and 6s of Neu Energy.

Finally someone who WANTS give his setup!!! Thank bl-is-future. But what is it MMM? And I thought translate that you are making a Savage with a 1521?

Can you give me more information please.

Thanks a lot!!

Originally Posted by bl-is-future

I have direct input for the MM and the stock 5700 motor. It has plenty of power to sling your heavy trucks around. It is the shaft that is the week point. With all of the torque with the weight of the vehicle it snaps the shaft with just about any off roading. My setup at the moment is MM with 8xl 16t pinion and 47t metal spur with FLM BL kit for the savage all running on 40 series beadlocks and 4s of maxamps 5000mah. It performs very well with more power and speed than the nitro engine it had, but i am a balls to the walls guy so i am working on a MMM, Neu 1521 and 6s of Neu Energy.

Thank you.
I like balls to the wall myself as long as it is usable power. My 18b is completely stupid with power. Such that my stepsons stock AE18b will run right with it until the long straights and even then keeps up due to mine looses traction if the wind hits the throttle trigger.....like runnin it on ice. I digress. Sorry.
Can you explain, please, what difference this Neu 1521 will make over your current set-up?
I am curious to know if any of you have experienced tranny problems with all these high rpms and more than 5 times the power of stock? I predict having problems with the slipper clutch and the plastic case being able to hold the torque and any added heat.