Trading advice

For guys that have traded intertstate or to other countries how have you gone about it without being shafted .

Is there a way to trade using Paypal ?

Do you both send the items together or one waits for the item to arrive and then sends there item off .

Being in Australia i am getting a few trade offers from the US for my RC8 + conversion that's for sale .

[TDC57]

If your trading with a family member here your pretty dam safe.. Other than that it's a crap shoot..

My two cents..

Ye , being on the other side of the world is a bit scary for trades.

Originally Posted by TDC57

If your trading with a family member here your pretty dam safe.. Other than that it's a crap shoot..

My two cents..

I agree with what Shawn had to say and untill recently I was nervous about making deals with people I dont know whether they were trades or buy/sell agreements...but I am ok about buying from online stores...its the risk you take.....

[JERRY2KONE]

I have to say that I agree with Shaun on this one. For the most part if you have been on RCM for a while you know who has been around long enough to make a judgement call. I have had no problems dealing with RCM brothers, and outside of here I have requested phone confirmations to kind of size up who it is that I am dealing with. Usually no one will ship until they receive payment for the item. In the case of a trade I would base that on conversation with the other party, and there should be no reason that both cannot ship at the same time. Good luck with that man.

[starscream]

Originally Posted by TDC57

If your trading with a family member here your pretty dam safe.. Other than that it's a crap shoot..

My two cents..

Just a clarification...
Are you talking about RCM members or relatives?

Originally Posted by starscream

Just a clarification...
Are you talking about RCM members or relatives?

I think he is talking about "your brother from a different mother" (RCM members)

Ok , think i have come up with a safer way to do this .

Using Paypal we can both send a payment to each other for what both vehicles are worth ( say $600 ) with the goods described in the Payment . That way if i don't receive the trade i can open a dispute with paypal and get my money back at least .
What do you guys think of this option.

[trev3813]

yeah, certain people i'd trade to like nothing, i.e like lincpimp, Tdc57,azjc, suicide neil, and alot more

[TDC57]

Originally Posted by starscream

Just a clarification...
Are you talking about RCM members or relatives?

Sorry guys, yes I was referring to my second family.. YOU all at RCM.. Can you feel the love..

[bl-is-future]

But then what if he files too and then he gets his money back and the rc8 and if he didnt ship his trade his trade too. Then you are out your rc8 still. If you feel the least bit shady about the person dont do it. And as far as paypals shipping confirmation when a dispute is under way, is total crap, all they have to do is ship a empty box to get a tracking number and paypal is happy. it could go on forever. Like i said don't do it if you feel shady on the person. Like everyone else said if it is someone on RCM you you should be fine.

Originally Posted by ffactory666

Ok , think i have come up with a safer way to do this .

Using Paypal we can both send a payment to each other for what both vehicles are worth ( say $600 ) with the goods described in the Payment . That way if i don't receive the trade i can open a dispute with paypal and get my money back at least .
What do you guys think of this option.

[Mike_D]

I have bought and sold several things on this forum over the years and never had any problems. As far as trading goes i think it's a total gamble whether it's this forum or another.

[wallot]

trading is always a gamble no matter if it's an individual or an eshop if it's abroad. I had more paypal disputes with stores than individuals. and buying used stuff from individuals is even more risky.

[Finnster]

Originally Posted by ffactory666

Ye , being on the other side of the world is a bit scary for trades.

Yeah, that's a long way to come from for an asskicking....


Before I got into RC I did a good deal of computer parts trading. It was a big site w/ tons of traders and opportunity for scammers. Basically the rules there were that one member actually started his own feedback website and that became the std. Ebay refs are BS mostly.

Seq of trading depended on # of + reviews. Two newbies or two longtime traders X-shipped or just paid and shipped. New traders that had less than X many (say 20) + reviews had to ship first to established traders to avoid fake sellers. This was the crux of the system. Anyone w/ a - feedback was doomed to ship first for a while to restore rep. You always shipped using a trackable option, USPS Priority, Fedex or UPS and sent the track # to the person quickly to show the item as shipped.

It pretty much eliminates scammers selling vaporware. You had to build a rep first to be trusted. New members to the site were held skeptically. If you just signed up, quickly sold 20 paperclips, it didn't really count (reviews indicate what was sold,) and no one would then send you $$$ for a laptop or whatever. Things did invariably happen, the the risk was fairly low.

That said, people here are generally trustworthy as the crowd is small and tight knit. If the community were much bigger and problems started popping up I would begin to worry.

[jhautz]

I personally cant get my brain around the trade thing over the internet. I ship my stuff to some guy who advertizes a trade and then when he gets it he ships his stuff to me. Way to much opportunity for scam IMO. Even if he does ship it, what if the item isnt as described you have no recourse at all. You traded taded you nice stuff for his crap.

As for Paypal disputes as a possible solution... Thats crap too. I filed a complaint for an item that was never shipped. I never got a confirmation or any response at all after the payment was sent. (this was all for an ebay item by the way) After a few weeks of no response I filed a dispute with Paypal. It went on for weeks with them requesting info on this and that. Finally the guy sent paypal a tracking number, but it was a bogus tracking number to an address that wasnt mine. Well... paypal didnt even bother, the just said that I loose the dispute based on any old tracking number being provided. Then I had to open another dispute and when all was said and done I won the dispute after about 2 months of screwing around I was refunded a whoping $0.81 out of the $125. Apparently the guy just emptied his paypal account and paypal wouldnt go any farther trying to get my money back.

In the end I called the Credit Card company for the Credit Card I used and refused the charges. They were most helpfull and just said they saw it all the time and stopped the payment to paypal and that was it. I had my money back.

After all of that Paypal then contacted me and whatned t know why I refused the charges for that trasaction and was looking for an explanation. I just forwarded the worlds longest email chain back to them with all of the communication of the entire dispute and that was it I never heard from them again.

Bottom line... Paypal offers no protection IMO. NONE at all.

I always use payment thru Paypal and use my credit card on the paypal payment so I have that last line of defense against a scammer. Your credit card company is your best friend. I also think that when you go to select credit card as the payment method for a paypal transaction they even bring up a whole screen try to talk you out of doing that and a bunch of stupid reasons why using a CC is bad. They dont want you to use a CC so they dont have to worry about getting payments refused when their system fails.