new castle creations sub creation?

[no mods]

a friend was poking around looking for more info on the MMM and we found this on nue's website.


Castle Creations Super 300A F5B controller!
•Ideal for LMR, and F5B!
• Limited production.
•180 amps constant current 300+ for LMR & F5B use.
• 72x26x25mm 125 grams with all cables.
•Fully programmable for both planes and helicopters.
•6 lithium or 20 Nicads max voltage*.
•BEC for 3S lithium or 10 cells nicad.
•$289 includes US 48 state ground shipping.
*Limit 5S for F5B use!

[johnrobholmes]

Proof that if you pony up the cash, castle will make what you want.

[crazyjr]

Thats been around for a bit now, i think its a nice esc. The MMM will use a single board though, so i figure they will have better fets to run

[hootie7159]

do you think these would work in an e-revo w/ neu 1515 2.5d?

[jhautz]

looks like a triple stacked MM with no heat sink to me.

I winder if GriffenRU could mate the MM brains to that board config. Would be sweet!

[squeeforever]

Originally Posted by jhautz

looks like a triple stacked MM with no heat sink to me.

I winder if GriffenRU could mate the MM brains to that board config. Would be sweet!

I don't think it is. The MM has the battery and motor leads on one side, not on the ends.

[lutach]

Originally Posted by johnrobholmes

Proof that if you pony up the cash, castle will make what you want.

I hate to say this, but it is not true. I told Castle I would pay for some SHV and HV Hydras with a car software and they still would not do it.

[johnrobholmes]

Were you willing to get 100 of them made? I don't think they can get the car software on the hydra control board without a ton of time, matter of fact I know it would take a lot of programming. Stacking boards is a lot easier.

Personally I don't like the idea of an easily available SHV car controller. SHV planes take a ton of skill to pilot, you have to work up. SHV boats are in the hands of older skilled drivers as well, you won't find many 14 year old kids running 12s setups. Put a SHV car controller out and suddenly every 16 year old with a paycheck will want a 45 volt revo just because it will be the biggest and baddest on the block. No way in hell I would sell it unless I knew who was buying. The last thing I would want to hear about is how Billy shorted his 10s 4400 pack and blew his finger off with 8000 watts.

Sorry for the rant, it is a discussion that I have had with a few ESC manufacturers and they all say the same thing about high voltage car setups: 6s is dangerous enough. I would love to have a 10s setup, but I don't trust the average RC car enthusiast with it. The folks on this site are for the most part WAY above average.

[BP-Revo]

Yeah no kidding... I completely agree with johnrobholmes.

My BL setups are pretty up there (no where as fast as some users), but my CRT .5 has enough juice to break 65 without a sweat if I put 4S into it. Normally it runs 3S (Lehner 1930/7 with a 17T pinion).


Anyway, when that thing is going fullspeed, its pretty scary. I can only imagine if I were to plow that into my foot at a decent speed. Would leave me in a cast for a couple months no doubt.

On the Traxxas forum I read enough about people crashing Revo 3.3's and Jato 3.3's...and while both of those are very fast trucks, they still have a pretty friendly throttle delivery when compared to high voltage brushless. The last thing we need is some dude with deep pockets wanting the fastest truck out there and then putting a hole in his neighbors house when he hits it doing 60mph, not to mention burning his own house down trying to charge the Lipos...

[Serum]

a 45 mph 4S 10lbs heavy truck is a deadly weapon too. Consider that.

[BP-Revo]

Oh, without a doubt. But a 10S 70+mph 10lb truck is much more dangerous...

[lincpimp]

Originally Posted by johnrobholmes

Were you willing to get 100 of them made? I don't think they can get the car software on the hydra control board without a ton of time, matter of fact I know it would take a lot of programming. Stacking boards is a lot easier.

Personally I don't like the idea of an easily available SHV car controller. SHV planes take a ton of skill to pilot, you have to work up. SHV boats are in the hands of older skilled drivers as well, you won't find many 14 year old kids running 12s setups. Put a SHV car controller out and suddenly every 16 year old with a paycheck will want a 45 volt revo just because it will be the biggest and baddest on the block. No way in hell I would sell it unless I knew who was buying. The last thing I would want to hear about is how Billy shorted his 10s 4400 pack and blew his finger off with 8000 watts.

Sorry for the rant, it is a discussion that I have had with a few ESC manufacturers and they all say the same thing about high voltage car setups: 6s is dangerous enough. I would love to have a 10s setup, but I don't trust the average RC car enthusiast with it. The folks on this site are for the most part WAY above average.

Here we go again, time to ban kitchen knifes, people might cut themselves. Not to rain on your parade john, but this type of thinking really stops progress. If there is a demand for a product, let the mfgs make it. You can still put together a 12s powered vehicle and use an air hv esc and mech brakes. Just as dangerous without reverse. Plus the 16 yr old kid that would be willing to pony up for a hv esc and the lipos to run it most likely is not as dumb as you think. They have a large box in their house with 240v in it too, should we ban house wiring too? How about staircases, 16yr olds could fall down that too and hurt themselves.

There are all kinds of potentionally hazardous items all around that are part of everyday life. Almost everyone over the age of 16 has the most potentionally dangerous item there is : a car. It only takes about 1hr to get a license to drive one and then you have roughly 2 tons of metal that can go at least 80mph. Think of the damage that can cause, both physical and property.

And trying to say that the rc car segment of the market is not ready for hv while the boat and air guys are is ridiculous. It would be just as easy for a newcomer to pick air or boats as a starting point, it does not have to be cars. Also keep in mind that the cost of hv deters the newcomers. For most people a mamba 7700 in a ruster on 6 nimh cells is over the top. "Use at your own risk" seems to be obvious, like the 50 mph stock nitro monster truck, don't hit yourself, it will hurt! That goes without saying, its like stepping out into traffic.

Common sense is required these days, no matter what you are dealing with. As an avid gun collector I deal with this sort of backward thinking all of the time. Idiots are constantly blaming guns for peoples deaths, instead of placing the blame where it belongs, with the operator.

If you want a good example of unsafe things making our lives better look at the space program. Does it sound likea good idea to strap 7 people on top of tons of highly explosive gas and have hundreds of support personel all around it and then light it off? Good thing that the people involed thought that was a good idea, or most of our electrical inovations that we take for granted would not have been developed.

If "Billy" cooks himself with his lipo I could care less. Maybe his dad should have been looking out for him. Maybe he should have read up about lipo safety frst. Sounds like you are just worried about natural selection: the kid who eats lead paint and plays in the street does not grow up to have kids of his own. This is the way it is meant to be. Being a safety Nazi is not going to cure that.

If you don't like the idea of HV coontroller for cars them don't buy one. However the rest of us that can se one and would like it should have the oportunity. We are capatilist remember. That means that one person does not know best (communism).

[lutach]

Originally Posted by johnrobholmes

Were you willing to get 100 of them made? I don't think they can get the car software on the hydra control board without a ton of time, matter of fact I know it would take a lot of programming. Stacking boards is a lot easier.

Personally I don't like the idea of an easily available SHV car controller. SHV planes take a ton of skill to pilot, you have to work up. SHV boats are in the hands of older skilled drivers as well, you won't find many 14 year old kids running 12s setups. Put a SHV car controller out and suddenly every 16 year old with a paycheck will want a 45 volt revo just because it will be the biggest and baddest on the block. No way in hell I would sell it unless I knew who was buying. The last thing I would want to hear about is how Billy shorted his 10s 4400 pack and blew his finger off with 8000 watts.

Sorry for the rant, it is a discussion that I have had with a few ESC manufacturers and they all say the same thing about high voltage car setups: 6s is dangerous enough. I would love to have a 10s setup, but I don't trust the average RC car enthusiast with it. The folks on this site are for the most part WAY above average.

I was only going to use them for myself. I have over 15yrs of RC experiance. My first HV was when Aveox released their sensored system. I also use to install car audio and have been electrocuted by one of those multiple 800+ CA (8 of them 6400x12=76800 watts) car audio batteries and I'm still here craving more watts . Even if I had the SHV controller, all I was going to use it with is maybe 14S lipos max on a low turn big motor such as the 1521/2Y (40A), 1521/3D (44A) or a 1527/2Y (35A) and it is not to go fast, but to run it up to twice as long. A lot of people think that High Voltage means speed, but in my usage HV means less AMPs. I can use cheap 2200mAh packs and still run them for around 24 minutes on grass going around 45MPH. In a race that can mean a 30 minutes main due to less load from dirt. Also, I like to keep a margin on voltage. My controller for example will be able to handle 15S lipos, but I'm going to use 10S-12S lipos only and I'll have a marging of 11.1v to be safe. We all know what happens when a controller see voltage close to the FETs spec, they tend to have a melt down. So people keep in mind, HV means less AMPs, more run time and be able to use cheaper lipos.

[Serum]

I would say this is a 'friend to friend' action, since the Mamba monster maxx is using a Neu type of motor. get it? Neu>castle..

[sapper_triple6]

I have to agree with lincpimp on this one. If I burn down my house or I let one of my kids do something to get themself or others hurt, thats on me. It shouldnt hold anybody else back.