Great advance for the fuel-cell car, no explosive gas on board

[crazyjr]

Its a water powered fuelcell car, it eliminates the one thing holding back fuel cell technology, having to carry hydrogen for power. It actually makes it's fuel on the fly.
http://www.engadget.com/2008/06/13/g...-cell-vehicle/

[DRIFT_BUGGY]

That looks sweet but would hate to get hit by a truck in it.

Wouldn't mind the PLP50 - 49cc mini
http://www.moonbuggy.org/archive/200...-plp50-review/

[crazyjr]

Originally Posted by DRIFT_BUGGY

That looks sweet but would hate to get hit by a truck in it.

Wouldn't mind the PLP50 - 49cc mini
http://www.moonbuggy.org/archive/200...-plp50-review/

I saw that, I wonder if a 22 series neu and a 12 s lipo would power it good enough

[rschoi_75]

very cool. Its exciting to see what's going to be possible in the near future. If this technology takes off, companies wouldn't need to build new hydrogen fill stations. Without that obstacle, fuel cell cars could become genuinely viable. People could just use their garden hose to refill.

Honda is also rolling out their next gen fuel cell cars this week too. They still use hydrogen tanks, but this one looks like a normal civic. Its supposed to be roomy and have a very nice ride.
http://news.yahoo.com/s/nm/honda_dc;...dvEsJEiAkDW7oF

[BL_RV0]

I wonder how something like this would work in a larger vehicle. I hope that top speeds will also be increased. I wonder what that generator would cost.

Hydrogen is the most plentiful element in the universe...I have been preaching the positives to people at work for a while and the next progression in space travel will be a hydrogen powered ramjet engine where you could get your fuel while flying...what a concept....

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bussard_ramjet

Either is still uber expensive - Honda will only lease them.

Hydrogen still has to be produced if it goes that way and electrolysis is prob the best way, so we will just move the pollution to a series of new central power stations and take it off the highways. Problem not solved, just rearranged.

If they can truly manage to efficiently and safely (we don't want to be driving around in bombs) split water on the fly to generate hydrogen, that would be the way to go. Ultimate green transportation!!

[TexasSP]

Originally Posted by Duster_360

Either is still uber expensive - Honda will only lease them.

Hydrogen still has to be produced if it goes that way and electrolysis is prob the best way, so we will just move the pollution to a series of new central power stations and take it off the highways. Problem not solved, just rearranged.

If they can truly manage to efficiently and safely (we don't want to be driving around in bombs) split water on the fly to generate hydrogen, that would be the way to go. Ultimate green transportation!!

Then you have to worry about an overabundance of oxygen in the air.........

Too much is poison you know...........

But seriously, it's good to see solutions that don't involve raiding our food sources to produce fuel. We just need to remember that there is no miracle cure all for energy and there will always be unwanted effects.

[What's_nitro?]

Originally Posted by TexasSP

Then you have to worry about an overabundance of oxygen in the air.........

Too much is poison you know...........

But seriously, it's good to see solutions that don't involve raiding our food sources to produce fuel. We just need to remember that there is no miracle cure all for energy and there will always be unwanted effects.

Actually, if you were burning the hydrogen in an ICE the oxygen would be burned as well. The holy grail of FCV is creating such a system which can recycle the water from the exhaust and split it back into HHO fast enough to sustain combustion. In effect a "closed-system" powerplant. Imagine NEVER having to put any type of fuel into your car again.

Originally Posted by What's_nitro?

Actually, if you were burning the hydrogen in an ICE the oxygen would be burned as well. The holy grail of FCV is creating such a system which can recycle the water from the exhaust and split it back into HHO fast enough to sustain combustion. In effect a "closed-system" powerplant. Imagine NEVER having to put any type of fuel into your car again.

imagine coming up with that invention..people would be saying "Thomas Edison who"...I saw a documentry on Edison and he was so over the top with inventions it came to just over as thousand

[crazyjr]

Originally Posted by What's_nitro?

Actually, if you were burning the hydrogen in an ICE the oxygen would be burned as well. The holy grail of FCV is creating such a system which can recycle the water from the exhaust and split it back into HHO fast enough to sustain combustion. In effect a "closed-system" powerplant. Imagine NEVER having to put any type of fuel into your car again.

The split process in my link is through the membrane, of the fuel cell. If you could catch and resplit as you mentioned, you could possibly power a car as a hybrid, with using the same molecules two times. Not only would you be getting something for free, but you'd do it twice .

I have actually been thinking, that someone needed to figure out, how to split water for fuel cell purposes, to eliminate the one thing holding up fuel cell power from becoming mainstream. Hydrogen is dangerous, if accidentaly ignited like in a crash. There is also the hydrogen pump infrastructure, that needs to be built. With the water powered fuel cell, that kills two birds with one stone. Now to slim down to fit in one of these cars

[Sammus]

Originally Posted by What's_nitro?

Actually, if you were burning the hydrogen in an ICE the oxygen would be burned as well. The holy grail of FCV is creating such a system which can recycle the water from the exhaust and split it back into HHO fast enough to sustain combustion. In effect a "closed-system" powerplant. Imagine NEVER having to put any type of fuel into your car again.

We obey the laws of thermodynamics in this house! So unless you can make it 100% efficient it ain't gunna happen :P

Originally Posted by Duster_360

Either is still uber expensive - Honda will only lease them.

Hydrogen still has to be produced if it goes that way and electrolysis is prob the best way, so we will just move the pollution to a series of new central power stations and take it off the highways. Problem not solved, just rearranged.

If they can truly manage to efficiently and safely (we don't want to be driving around in bombs) split water on the fly to generate hydrogen, that would be the way to go. Ultimate green transportation!!

using electricty to remove elements you want from a common material is nothing new to me...I have a salt swimming pool that has a generator connected to the filter that uses electricity to remove chloride ions from salt that was poured in the pool at startup and turns that into chlorine and as the chlorine kills the bacteria it returns to the sodiumchloride molecule where it repeats the process and you only have to add more salt if it physically gets removed due to draining or excessive splashing..and the water feels softer on your skin versus a traditional pool

I found this conversion kit for your car..I dont know if it is BS or not but interesting

http://www.poweredbyhydro.com/

[What's_nitro?]

Technically it can be done, now. The area required for the HHO producing apparatus is so great that it would have to be towed behind the vehicle, however. That kind of defeats the purpose. Many more advances in this technology are required before the aforementioned system can become a reality.