buggy motor. starting over fresh.

[MBX5's]

I'm looking into a couple choices for the upcomming spring, a good friend just bought the NEU1512/1.5D/S for his Jamming conversion, I want to be competeive but not be outragously out of control, I'd like to obtain steady runtimes of 30mns and speeds of 45...is this unreachable? lease help the new guy...I had a project given to me but aborted it after a knee injury. So Im starting over fresh.
Thnx

[jhautz]

30 minutes of run time and 45mph is probably not realistic for race pace track running. I think you could achieve 40-45mph and 15-20 minutes or 30-35mph and maybe 30 minutes but that will probably be the limit and tough to reach at that. Dont get me wrong you could get your 30 minute run time if you just load the buggy up with battereis, but it wouldnt drive very well weighing 10 lbs. lol Anything more than 5s 5000mah or 4s 6000mah is going to be too big for a typical buggy setup. Even those packs are on the large/heavy side. Id recomend something more like the 4s 5000 or 5s 4350 size packs for lower weight.

What voltage are you planning to run. Do you have any other details that you can share like buggy make/model and special gearing consideration that needs to be accounted for or anything else that may play into your motor choice decision.

BTW: your friends 1512/1.5D on 4 is is very hard aon battereies and sped controller so make sure you tell him to gear it very conservative if he want a reliable setup. Not a setup i would recomend, but he can make it work fine if he is smart about it.

[MBX5's]

Im looking at somthing like the RC8 from ImpaktRC already set-up, just need a motor,ecs n batts..voltage is all new to me so I dont know(ol nitro man) gearing Im also up in the air about...the track we run is somewhat technical and short, quick turns,short jumps, a lil blip on the throttle n your at the other end so its not that big. Sorry total newbie to this stuff.
Thanks

[jhautz]

No prob on the questions thats what the forum is for...

The tekno kit is nice. If you plan to run on a small tecnical track you probably dont need 45mph. I run a farely large track and dont even use all of the speed for more than a second or 2 when geared for 40mph.

I think shooting for something in the range of 38mph would be plenty for you on a small to med track.

If you are looking for maximized run time on a small track with nitro comaprable power plus a little bit extra on the bottom end, I'd say look at a 1512/2.5D and a 4s 5000mah lipo setup. On that type of track you should be very happy with it and it should easily get you over the 20 minute runtime mark, maybe even getting close to that 30 minute target of yours. Its also a very versitlie motor. If you ever want to head out to a large wide open track or out in the open bashing for some speed runs you can drop a 5s pack in it and it will scream like your buddies 1.5D on 4s only be easier on the battery and esc while doing it.

[MBX5's]

hey man....this is a great deal of help, you have no idea how green I am to this stuff. but giv me a V-Spec in a Hyper 8.5 Pro and I can chew it up good.
Now what about the voltage thing we spoke of, what am I looking for, are we reffering to the battery? What kind of 4s/5000 are we talking about? And what would you recommend for an ESC, I seem to read alot about the MMM(MambaMonsterMax I think) and guys having trouble.

[jhautz]

The MMM is currently haveing some issues with the internal BEC. So you might want to hold off on that untill they get it sorted out. The Mamba Max is a good low cost alternative for 4s. Many people have run and are running that esc with great sucess on 4s using an external BEC and a 25mm fan attached to the heatsink. Its a pretty well proven setup.

Yes, the voltage thing is the battery. 4s means 4 cells in series (14.8v) 5000 mah is the capacity of the pack. The Polyquest packs are very good quality. Other good quality options would be a the NeuEnergy or Flightpower. I am persoanlly not a fan of the Maxamps packs. Overpriced and under performing IMO. Check out the RCM store. http://www.rc-monster.com/batteries.php There are also other options available out there if you look around.

[MBX5's]

Im not overly concerned with a price tag in regards to an ESC and would like to have the option to upgrade my batts at a later date(5s)are there any other alternatives you can think? Alotta guys at the local track are burning out thier Feigao motors, one guy has gone through 3, what can cause this so I can avoid it.
Thanks alot jhautz....Im taken notes.

[jhautz]

Nothing is going to save a Feigao on the track. Its a cheap motor that will get you running, but they are not high quality and run hot. Not a good choice for racing IMO. If you are going to race it just get the Neu motor. You will eventually anyway.

There allot of other options for the speed control but they tend to be more expensive. Again check out the RC-Monster store. I actually like the Tekin R1Pro. With proper setup it will run 5s with no issues. I actually run one in my race buggy on 5s and a Neu 1512/3D motor. It doesn't have a heat sink on it so its a little more temperamental to temps, but it is smooth as butter in both throttle and brake controls. For something that will handle power check out the MGM controllers. Expensive but they will take some serious power and not have any worries about temperatures.

[MBX5's]

Im I beating up yet with all the Q&A's...lol How would rate the Tekin R1 Pro compared to the MGM for a user friendly version, remember Im green.
I have most of my parts boiled down now great Thankx to you....if I may, how would you feel about the 1512/1.5D in a truggy if I choes to go that way at a later date.
Thanks

[jhautz]

Either the R1Pro or the MGM are pretty easy to use. They both have software that allows you to program them via a usb cable and your computer with the optional computer programing cables for either controller. The tekin has bettr instructions with it IMO, but either one is easy enough to figure out.

I wouldnt run that motor in a truggy. That is a high rpm lower torque motor. In the truggy you want something with more torque to run cool. Look at a 1515 size Neu motor for best success. Its a little longer than the 1512 and handles the heavier truggy and bigger tires with more rotating mass better. Best racing setup for truggy that I have found is the 1515/2.5D running on a 5s lipo. It is fast powerfull setup that runs very cool. RC-Monster Mike actually runs the same motor /battery setup in his race truggy. You could also run the 1515/1y motor on 4s in the truggy and have a great racing setup.

[magman]

I run a 1512 1.5YF on 4 & 5s in my mbx-5 w/ a MGM controller and it is a very good set up. Both components run extremely cool. On 5s the buggy is insanely fast and quick. On 4s it is perfect for racing. The MGM is a little confusing at times to program, however, there are plenty of forum members who have programmed one and are more than willing to help....they helped me out a lot.

I agree w/jhautz completely reguarding the Neu motors...best motor PERIOD. Plus, they have great customer service...good luck with your set up and be sure to post pics. when you are done!...

[MBX5's]

wow...this is great source in info and input here guys thanks alot, this gives me plenty of fuel to go on and get started pretty soon....Im dumping out the old and in with the new....so it may take awhile, Im planning my new project for the spring and want to surprise alot off the local boys n thier toys.....with the info here it looks like I'll be doing it up rite....Thanks Again..

[MBX5's]

if I decided to go with the MGM controller, anyone have any idea which would suit my needs? Im planning on following jhautz recommendations to the letter in his second post

If you are looking for maximized run time on a small track with nitro comaprable power plus a little bit extra on the bottom end, I'd say look at a 1512/2.5D and a 4s 5000mah lipo setup. On that type of track you should be very happy with it and it should easily get you over the 20 minute runtime mark, maybe even getting close to that 30 minute target of yours. Its also a very versitlie motor. If you ever want to head out to a large wide open track or out in the open bashing for some speed runs you can drop a 5s pack in it and it will scream like your buddies 1.5D on 4s only be easier on the battery and esc while doing it.

[SpEEdyBL]

If this doesn't need to be ready until the spring, you should look into the Castle-Neu motors that Castle will soon be releasing. They are re-designed copies of neu motors, except they are more suited for cars. They are sealed, have a bigger front bearing, don't have stiff wires coming out of the back end, and will save you almost $100 over a regular neu motor. The 1515 1Y will be the most versatile as it will run great in both buggies and truggies. You can use 4s, 5s, and 6s packs with 4s being a good racing setup and 6s being totally insane.

[magman]

I run this one on my buggy...good luck!..:
http://www.rc-monster.com/proddetail...MM160183sHCS01