Castle 2200Kv or Medusa 80mm 2000Kv

[phibes]

Hi there,

im going to convert an 1/8-scaly truggy (Mantis). Since the 8s-ESCs are too expensive for me I decided to get the MMM. I wonder if the MMM-Set with 2200KV-motor or the MMM-ESC with a 80mm Medusa 2000Kv would be the better option. The Truggy will weight around 4.7kg and run on 6s. It will be used for bashing only.
I should rather be overpowered then underpowered.
I wonder if the larger diameter of the Castle means that it produces more torque than the longer and heavier Medusa. And how do they compare in terms of efficiancy?

many thanks

[sleebus.jones]

If you'd rather be overpowered than underpowered, go Castle.
If you want more torque, go Castle
If you want more efficiency, go Castle.

If you'd rather be overpowered than underpowered, go Castle.
If you want more torque, go Castle
If you want more efficiency, go Castle.

I believe that is all still opinion, and not based on facts. I would bet the Medusa would have better torque, perform better on 6s,and the efficiency would be very similar. I know that my 2 main bashing buddies each run the CC 2200 in E-revo's,I run a Medusa 60-2000,with a Medusa heatsink. We all vary our gearing,tires and cell counts depending on how we feel. But all said and done, performance, and temps are very close,whoever is geared for the fastest speed,wins. IMO if I was running the 80, my torque would be noticeably higher, and temps would drop. So, if I was just buying I would get the combo,for cost factor,but I think the Medusa is a very good choice if your looking for a single motor. But if your set on running 6s,I'd go with the 80-1600,probably the most efficient at that voltage.

[sleebus.jones]

Originally Posted by asheck

I believe that is all still opinion, and not based on facts.

Well darnint, my problem of not reading the posts rears its ugly head again. I didn't see the 80mm in there for some reason. Now that I see that, i'd have to say it would probably be a pretty close contest. I was thinking 70mm for some reason.

[E-Revonut]

Asheck - what cell count are you running the 36-60-2000 on in your e-REVO? What speed are you geared for and how are your temps? I'm trying to decide between the 60-1600 and 70-1600 for my e-REVO on 5s. I'm looking to get less torque than my 1515 neu 1650kv. The neu is awesome but I want something that isn't going to wheely the whole way around the track but I can still bash with!

[Dagger Thrasher]

I think Ascheck is right in that the efficiency and power between the Castle-Neu and Medusa 80mm will be probably very similar. The Medusa will have a *slightly* longer rotor, but the difference will be very small. All I know is that my Castle motor stays ice-cool (not literally lol...but hasn't hit over 130F).

However, the Castle motor is built much better for offroad use, IMO. Bigger bearings, and a much thicker/tougher casing. That the windings terminate inside the motor and are presoldered to nice, thick 10AWG wires makes things even easier. It's also sealed, so you won't get any rubbish inside. A word of warning though; The Castle motor on 6S will be utterly incredible! Good job you're bashing, as it'd be way too much for racing unless you have exceptional finger control.

Either of those motors can produce insane amounts of power and remain cool, but I'd go for the Castle personally. It's just built better.

[skellyo]

Originally Posted by Dagger Thrasher

However, the Castle motor is built much better for offroad use, IMO. Bigger bearings, and a much thicker/tougher casing. That the windings terminate inside the motor and are presoldered to nice, thick 10AWG wires makes things even easier. It's also sealed, so you won't get any rubbish inside. A word of warning though; The Castle motor on 6S will be utterly incredible! Good job you're bashing, as it'd be way too much for racing unless you have exceptional finger control.

Either of those motors can produce insane amounts of power and remain cool, but I'd go for the Castle personally. It's just built better.

I completely agree with these statements.

[Unsullied_Spy]

Originally Posted by Dagger Thrasher

I think Ascheck is right in that the efficiency and power between the Castle-Neu and Medusa 80mm will be probably very similar. The Medusa will have a *slightly* longer rotor, but the difference will be very small. All I know is that my Castle motor stays ice-cool (not literally lol...but hasn't hit over 130F).

However, the Castle motor is built much better for offroad use, IMO. Bigger bearings, and a much thicker/tougher casing. That the windings terminate inside the motor and are presoldered to nice, thick 10AWG wires makes things even easier. It's also sealed, so you won't get any rubbish inside. A word of warning though; The Castle motor on 6S will be utterly incredible! Good job you're bashing, as it'd be way too much for racing unless you have exceptional finger control.

Either of those motors can produce insane amounts of power and remain cool, but I'd go for the Castle personally. It's just built better.

Hard to find anything wrong with this post.

I've got an 80mm Medusa in my Muggy and it's an excellent motor but nothing compares to a Neu. The price difference between the 80mm and the CC Neu is negligible, you can get a CC Neu for $140-$150 and I got my 80mm for $135. Just get the CC Neu, they're a good motor.

[Raze ST Truggy]

I have both the CC2200 and a 80mm 1600kv Medusa and an MMM for both. I was thinking that the medusa was better suited for the muggy, but after reading this thread I'm not sure.

What do you guy's think is a better combo for a muggy, and since I'm asking which for my Raze ST Truggy? Thanks

Sorry if this is a hyjack.

-Brian

[Finnster]

Originally Posted by Raze ST Truggy

I have both the CC2200 and a 80mm 1600kv Medusa and an MMM for both. I was thinking that the medusa was better suited for the muggy, but after reading this thread I'm not sure.

What do you guy's think is a better combo for a muggy, and since I'm asking which for my Raze ST Truggy? Thanks

Sorry if this is a hyjack.

-Brian

Run them both and lets see a side by side!

[Raze ST Truggy]

Originally Posted by Finnster

Run them both and lets see a side by side!

An eagle tree setup is my next order, but I can't pull that trigger just yet. Once I get that I'll post up all kings of results. I've got a bunch of stuff I want to get data from.

-Brian

[jsr]

Originally Posted by Raze ST Truggy

I have both the CC2200 and a 80mm 1600kv Medusa and an MMM for both. I was thinking that the medusa was better suited for the muggy, but after reading this thread I'm not sure.

What do you guy's think is a better combo for a muggy, and since I'm asking which for my Raze ST Truggy? Thanks

Whichever one generates more torque is what I'd run in the Muggy as it's a heavier truck.

Originally Posted by stum

PS check the specs, the medusa 80mm will run hotter than the castle-neu, it cannot generate anywhere near as much torque.

stum - what specs are these? Sorry, I don't know how to read the specs for motors or even where ther are.

[GO-RIDE.com]

I've driven 3 different E-8ight buggies with MMM, 4S, and the following motors: Medusa 60x2000, Castle Neu 2200, Neu 1512 2050

Castle Neu: I didn't really like the Castle Neu. It was jerky in acceleration, very jerky on the brakes, and had the most drag by far when turning off power

Neu 1512 2050kv: This is a very easy to drive motor with plenty of power, but still very smooth and controlled for a non-sensored motor. It had the least amount of off power drag and allowed the buggy to turn better than the others.

Medusa 60x2000 (I own this one): Sits between the two motors in smoothness and ease of driving. IMO much better than the Castle Neu, but the Neu Neu was also a lot better than the Medusa.

Seeing as the Castle Neu 2200 is more comparable to a Neu 1515 or a Medusa 70 or even 80 the differences may be a lot smaller when compared to these more similar motors.

[phibes]

thanks for all the replys, i just thought the Medusa would be more powerful since it weights 60g more than the Castle-Neu.
So i think im going for the Castle-Set then and if it turns out as to aggressive i will use less cells or configure the throttle-response-curve. And if all that wont help i can still buy the Medusa later if i feel i need it, but i cannot get the Castle-Neu as cheap as i get it with the set ... so maybe i go that way.

Asheck - what cell count are you running the 36-60-2000 on in your e-REVO? What speed are you geared for and how are your temps? I'm trying to decide between the 60-1600 and 70-1600 for my e-REVO on 5s. I'm looking to get less torque than my 1515 neu 1650kv. The neu is awesome but I want something that isn't going to wheely the whole way around the track but I can still bash with!

I run 4,5 and 6s.But I probably like 5s the best,but thats the hardest combo to come up with.Currently I'm geared 24/65 with Tamiya TNX5.2r tires.I try to keep gearing to low 40's on 4s,and high 40's on 5.My temps generally stay under 135, but are just a touch cooler on 5,then 4 ,I don't worry about temps to much unless I have it geared something silly. So IMO if your looking for lower torque,and plan on keeping gearing reasonable I think the 60 would be plenty.