I am wrong about MaxAmps. - Page 8 - RC-Monster Forums

lutach · 04.29.2008, 07:28 PM

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Originally Posted by johnrobholmes

We didn't agree about the 6000vs 8000 test being fair though. I explained that his pack is rated for a higher amp draw, therefor it should hold higher voltage under load. He responded that ratings from a factory don't mean anything since there are no standards. Ball in my court, I had no good response to that.

Did you ask him why rate a 2100mAh with a 20C rating and in fact it was 15C from the factory. If the ratings from the factory is 15C, I would go with 10C just to be on the safe side. I think that is what TrueRC does. They rather feel safe than sorry. Still, not a good way to conduct business. What did he say about Jason? I would fire him on the spot if I knew he was treating customers that way. Just my opinion. If I worked hard to establish and a business, I wouldn't want to have an employee bring it down in any way.

johnrobholmes · 04.29.2008, 07:36 PM

We did not go into further detail about specific packs beyond me reading some data log points that I have. I would rather not try and recount the whole conversation either. Let it suffice to say that it was positive, and that I have no bad feelings towards Jason, Austin, or MA.

DrKnow65 · 04.29.2008, 07:36 PM

Yah but what if that employee was like a crack dealer selling to little kids and making you rich?

Point is what is the moral charector MaxAmps is working with?

lutach · 04.29.2008, 07:46 PM

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Originally Posted by DrKnow65

Yah but what if that employee was like a crack dealer selling to little kids and making you rich?

Point is what is the moral charector MaxAmps is working with?

Maybe the whole MA team is on it, but that deosn't mean Jason can treat people the way he's doing. He's the one who has to be nice to everone, he's the one that we mostly talk (used to) talk to.

johnrobholmes · 04.29.2008, 07:48 PM

I feel I am sticking my neck out a lot further than I should on this matter, but the inquisitive little kid in me wants to learn more and push for standards that will allow any user to fairly compare packs. I am drawing up some proposed guidelines for battery ratings that may be useful. I will start a new thread for a discussion of this.

lutach · 04.29.2008, 07:53 PM

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Originally Posted by johnrobholmes

I feel I am sticking my neck out a lot further than I should on this matter, but the inquisitive little kid in me wants to learn more and push for standards that will allow any user to fairly compare packs. I am drawing up some proposed guidelines for battery ratings that may be useful. I will start a new thread for a discussion of this.

Sounds good John.

DrKnow65 · 04.29.2008, 08:13 PM

I should clarify, I'm not saying Jason sells crack (hehehe) or is on crack, or that MA has anything to even do with crack (hahaha). I'm saying that mabey the money is twisting the morals of truth. It's up to Austin to rein in Jason, IF his morals are more important to him than his money.

I thought Mike was a great example, he just sold out his entire allotment of MMM's in like two days. He sold them at a great price and offered them to his loyal customers first. He could have upped the price, waited for Castle's deal to finish, then raked in the dough. Instead he takes care of us here, makes a few dollars, and has all of us looking to him when it's time to spend our play money. A good business decision AND he get's to be the good guy at the same time.

Look at the posts Patrick DelC put up in the castle thread, he was honest, open, vulnerable (he did mention the exact fets they will be using on future ESC's), and most of all he showed genuine concern for the customer who is buying his product.

I am brand loyal to stuiff like this. Win me over, give me good products and service, and I will push your company to everyone I see preparing to spend money :)

Burn me, cheat me, lie to me, sell me crap, and I'll talk sh#t to every one I know wether they are going to spend money or not.

Call me a liar when we both know better and I'm liable to find you and kick the sh#t out of you in a violent, non-christian, UFC, no one will ever know it was me, kind of way.

Liars and theves get me a bit hot under the collar, sorry for the anger.

lutach · 04.29.2008, 08:27 PM

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Originally Posted by DrKnow65

I should clarify, I'm not saying Jason sells crack (hehehe) or is on crack, or that MA has anything to even do with crack (hahaha). I'm saying that mabey the money is twisting the morals of truth. It's up to Austin to rein in Jason, IF his morals are more important to him than his money.

I thought Mike was a great example, he just sold out his entire allotment of MMM's in like two days. He sold them at a great price and offered them to his loyal customers first. He could have upped the price, waited for Castle's deal to finish, then raked in the dough. Instead he takes care of us here, makes a few dollars, and has all of us looking to him when it's time to spend our play money. A good business decision AND he get's to be the good guy at the same time.

Look at the posts Patrick DelC put up in the castle thread, he was honest, open, vulnerable (he did mention the exact fets they will be using on future ESC's), and most of all he showed genuine concern for the customer who is buying his product.

I am brand loyal to stuiff like this. Win me over, give me good products and service, and I will push your company to everyone I see preparing to spend money :)

Burn me, cheat me, lie to me, sell me crap, and I'll talk sh#t to every one I know wether they are going to spend money or not.

Call me a liar when we both know better and I'm liable to find you and kick the sh#t out of you in a violent, non-christian, UFC, no one will ever know it was me, kind of way.

Liars and theves get me a bit hot under the collar, sorry for the anger.

Don't apologize. You are 100% right. So I found a UFC buddy

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DrKnow65 · 04.29.2008, 08:37 PM

I like my UFC :) So does my oldest daughter and both my boys. Course most of the time they are not fighting because they are angry (smack talking can rattle some fighters), but that's the beauty of kicking butt UFC style. Cold and intentional.

Is there a concensus on how to best test the lipo's without a $1500 machine?

johnrobholmes · 04.29.2008, 08:38 PM

A big outrunner and big prop can be a test bed. I spooled mine up today and it shook the deck, I forgot to balance the prop

Jbreddawg · 04.29.2008, 08:39 PM

Very old saying

" A satisfied customer will tell two people ,a dissatisfied customer will tell 200 "

You must keep you customers happy first and formost , the money will come later .
If your customers arn't happy ? Guess what, you have no customers !

I am sure there are alot of you on here that have been in R/C as long as I have "28 years " and longer . I have seen more then one business come and go. Treat people right and they will stand by you for many years to come .

Ok, thats all my wisdom for tonight

glassdoctor · 11:17 PM

I have talked to Austin many times since he first got into the biz, and he has always come across as a good guy imo. It's no surprise that John has a positive report after a phone call. Jason has been more abrasive it seems and obviously has caused some trouble on the forums with his "style".

I tend to not count that against MA in general... though they do ultimately answer for the conduct of their reps in some way. MA is not the only company with this kind of issue. (SMC comes to mind...)

Here's the deal imo... it appears that TrueRC may rate their packs conservatively and MA may push the ratings more to the edge. The industry has ratings all over the place. It's not like MA is alone in having "optimistic" C ratings. It's the norm really. Not many choose to "de-rate" their product.

I agree there are other brands that perform better, so don't misunderstand. I got better #'s from my Core 5000 than from my MA pack. But on the track they both run great.

In any case... the whole C rating thing is out of control and should be taken "with a grain of salt". I know one company who doesn't put a rating on their packs at all, because they want to stay out of the whole mess.

I'm very confident that Austin is not trying to BS the R/C community and sell crap. He's not their to make a quick buck... he's their to build a good reputable business. I think the lynch mob effect has happened here at RCM. Go to rcgroups.com where MA has had a good presence for a long time and those plane guys are "lipo-nuts"... I don't recall you any of this type of reaction and bad talk.

Also... don't forget that I have posted graphs of MA packs that are pretty good. The ones posted recently where the voltage fell on it's face at like 30-40 amps just isn't right based on what I have seen. My results are completely different.

Oh, and I have killed two MA packs... both my fault. One I shorted out, and one (I forgot about last time this came up) I left plugged in and found it at about 0v (4s pack) a couple weeks later. Both packs ran ok for a while but eventually puffed, as expected.

I'm getting some fresh MA packs soon.

Just a different take.

lutach · 04.29.2008, 11:41 PM

Some folks will see the bad side of Jason in rcgroups. Go there and you will see some guys complaining already. This is what I like: http://www.cheapbatterypacks.com/mai...an=PRC&cat=PXQ. They did their homework and wow. I like how they post the Factory C rate and the Ideal C Rate. MA has been in this industry long enough and they should do the same. I would never say a 2100mAh pack made from 15C cells are 20C. If I had 15C rate from the factory, I would just say 10C so people wouldn't try and blame me for any abuse of the pack. Play safe now or feel sorry later. Example: My controller are rated from the place that's doing them for 15S lipos, but I'm going to go with 14S just to give a bigger margin.

johnrobholmes · 04.29.2008, 11:44 PM

Those 30/50C packs are rated 30/60 from the factory too. Even more derating. I am cool with that, because the pack will perform to the numbers that they show.

lutach · 04.29.2008, 11:52 PM

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Originally Posted by johnrobholmes

Those 30/50C packs are rated 30/60 from the factory too. Even more derating. I am cool with that, because the pack will perform to the numbers that they show.

But do you see what cheapbatterypacks did? It is really cool that they show an ideal C rate mainly because they did the homework and I'm pretty sure they know from experiance that the packs will perform at the ideal C rate. My packs for example comes with a 25C from the factory. They provide that and the burst, but would I feel good saying they are 25C. I'm still beating the crap out of them and I have posted real world data on them.