Well it's about time...

[eovnu87435ds]

Hey, I made a thread a while back about getting into R/C, and I finally did it. I found a good deal on a used DuraTrax Evader, with a new stock motor and esc. It also came with a transmitter/radio, and 5 batteries. I also have an IFI Victor 883 ESC to put in it, and I got an Intellipeak charger from brushlessboy16.

My question is, what should I upgrade next? any suggestions?

EDIT: here is the link of the car: http://www.rcuniverse.com/market/item.cfm?itemId=441135

[TexasSP]

Take your time and only upgrade what breaks. Then look at brushless setups. The cheapest would probably be the Traxxas Velineon which has good bang for the buck. You can probably get one used for around 100.

For right now just drive it and have fun!

[t-maxxracer32]

if i were you i would get a good brushed motor for it. i would think a 15t would be nice.

maybe something like this
http://www3.towerhobbies.com/cgi-bin...?&I=LXJAJ4&P=7 or
http://www3.towerhobbies.com/cgi-bin...?&I=LXJAK2&P=7

depending on how good the batteries are you may want to get some new ones.

seeing as you just got into rc cars im not sure if you are ready to dish out the money for brushless (would cost double what you paid for your truck)

i wouldnt upgrade anything on the truck untill you break something.

ive never owned an evader so i dont know if there are any weak components to it maybe someone else could chime in about that.

[eovnu87435ds]

Now I'm probably gonna look like a complete n00b for asking this here, but o well. Whats the major differences between brushed and brushless motors? Will they both work with everything I have?
Also, If anybody out there does have an evader, what broke alot...
Thanks

[BL_RV0]

Brushless > Brushed. In every aspect. If you're looking for a budget BL setup, check these out. Linc said the 12s Feigao on 3s does well in a stadium truck.

http://www.hobbycity.com/hobbycity/s...idProduct=6671
http://www.hobbycity.com/hobbycity/s...idProduct=4889
http://b-p-p.com/product.php?product...&cat=48&page=1

[suicideneil]

How motors work

A worthy read for anyone interested as to how BL and brushed motors work/ are different.

[brushlessboy16]

What you need to know

Brushed vs Brushless

Brushed motor use brushes to contact segments of the Commutator to energize the coils of wire on the armature. The Electromagnetic field created by the armature repels or attracts (depending on polarity) to the stationary magnets mounted on the motor can, this force causes the motor to spin.
Terminology
-turns, turns of a brushed motor are how many times a strand of copper wire is wrapped around a pole on the armature. A higher turn will give you more torque and lower rpm while a lower turn will provide higher rpm and acceleration but torque will suffer.

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Brushless motors


Brushless motors come in two large categories, Sensored and sensorless. In a brushless motor the insides are flip-flopped compared to that of a brushed motor, the permanent magnets are mounted to the motor shaft or rotor,and the electromagnet coils are mounted to the inside of the motor can. As a signal is received from a vehicle's receiver, the speed control sends power to two of the 3 coils in the brushless motor, these repel the magnets on the rotor and begin to spin the motor. When the permanent magnet in the rotor moves past an un-powered coil of wire it creates voltage that is readable by the Speed Controller called EMF. Since you only get an emf pulse once a revolution, the speed control uses this to determine the position of the rotor and change the polarity of the motors coils to further the rotation of the rotor. (known as switching) the controller switches the coils faster to increase the rotor speed, in turn accelerating the car.

Terminology
-Rotor- equivalent to the armature in a brushed motor, has stationary magnets. Pinion attaches to this.
-Coils- Mounted inside the motor can are electromagnets switched by the speed control.


Sensored Brushless systems

The other main category of brushless systems is the Sensored Motor/esc combo's like Novak, Tekin and others.

Instead of using the EMF pulses to locate the rotor's position, they use either hall effect or visual sensors and tell the Speed Controller when to switch current to the next coil.

Hope this guide helped you guys Very Happy. If you dont understand it, just post the question ill be happy to answer it
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Brushless motors are More efficient, by producing less heat. require little to no maintenence, and can make more power then there retarted step-cousins.


This is my own personal writeup from a different forum.

[eovnu87435ds]

OK, I now understand why everybody loves brushless more than brushed...

[brushlessboy16]

Originally Posted by eovnu87435ds

OK, I now understand why everybody loves brushless more than brushed...

correct, and some sensored brushless systems are looked down upon here too

[suicideneil]

Correction: the novak and novak-esque sensored sytems are looked down upon- if only Aveox would get back into the R/C game, they would kick just about everyone's ass from here to kingdom come.

[lincpimp]

Originally Posted by brushlessboy16

correct, and sensored brushless systems are looked down upon here too

Not by everyone...

Originally Posted by suicideneil

Correction: the novak and novak-esque sensored sytems are looked down upon- if only Aveox would get back into the R/C game, they would kick just about everyone's ass from here to kingdom come.

Aveox do make some interesting stuff. I have a few sensored motors from them, basically not much difference to a neu save for the sensor. It would be nice to have a hybrid setup that uses a sensor to ensure ultra smooth starting and then swap over to sensorless commutation.

[eovnu87435ds]

and the truck came... boy am I a happy camper. the guy I bought it from decided to throw in some spare parts. ok, alotta spare parts. Lots of props goes to member Just Lucky from RC universe... he made everything awesome for a guy starting out like me...
Here's what came in the box...
- the evader, with a new stock esc and motor
- the old, working esc and motor
- 5 7.2v batteries
- 2 spare front tires
- Duratrax transmitter with charge port/charger
- 7.2v battery charger
- 16 rechargeable AA batteries for the transmitter
- 2 extra motor brushes
- 4 spare ball cups
- a new bulkhead front
- 2 knuckle arms
- a new shock tower
- 2 front suspension arms
- a collector
- and spare battery connectors

I have pics!

everything I got

my working truck

a closer pic

and without batteries

[brushlessboy16]

Wow mike, you lucked up, could definately rethink your battery mounting though :D

Thats is a crap load of spares, you really lucked up

[BL_RV0]

Wow! Can't beat that deal for $95. What motor are you running 12 cells with?

[brushlessboy16]

Originally Posted by BL_RV0

Wow! Can't beat that deal for $95. What motor are you running 12 cells with?

he is running the stock 20 turn