1406 4 pole 4600kv

[C-5Quad]

I just got my 1410 sidewinder combo 3800kv to drop in my rusty $97.00 shipped now this boggles my mind though $110.00 for a 1406 motor alone or 97.00 for a combo with a sidewinder.......is there that much of a difference between the 1410 and 1406 motors besides kv and a little longer can??

I'm not complaining by any means just curious as to how one motor is $50.00 vs the $110.00

[slimthelineman]

wow this came as a huge suprise to me today. This would be the third thing i had break in a couple days counting the fridge, my thumbwheel on my dx3s and now my beloved 1406 has jumped on board and decided to give me s#!% too. This being the only of the three i couldnt fix is whats pissing me off. This thing has ran like a raped ape from day one but today I switched the rash over to my dx3s and was setting the endpoints and what not, calibrated the speedo an picked the truck up to see how the startup was with and without load. Motor was making horrible noises so i shut her down right away. upon further inspection a found the rotor very tough to turn so i opened her up and this is what i found inside(see pics). The center race and the cage and all dropped out after i took the photos and now the outer race is stuck in the motor endcap. CRAP!! Havent checked but does castle sell rebuilds for the 14xx line yet? or will the cm-36 style rebuild work?

[Thomas Porfert]

Originally Posted by C-5Quad

I just got my 1410 sidewinder combo 3800kv to drop in my rusty $97.00 shipped now this boggles my mind though $110.00 for a 1406 motor alone or 97.00 for a combo with a sidewinder.......is there that much of a difference between the 1410 and 1406 motors besides kv and a little longer can??

I'm not complaining by any means just curious as to how one motor is $50.00 vs the $110.00

We do not offer the 1406 motors in a combo, they are only available by themselves; whenever we combine a motor and ESC, it is always cheaper than buying them individually. And keep in mind about 70% of our cost on the Sidewinder SCT is in the motor; so when we offer the 1410 3800kv by itself, it would be more than $50.00.

But yes, the only difference between the 1406 and 1410 motors is the kv and length. So if you don't need a higher kv motor and the 3800kv will get the job done...get the Sidewinder SCT combo and get a good ESC with a great motor at an amazing price. :)

Thomas Porfert
Tech Support
Castle Creations

[Thomas Porfert]

Originally Posted by slimthelineman

wow this came as a huge suprise to me today. This would be the third thing i had break in a couple days counting the fridge, my thumbwheel on my dx3s and now my beloved 1406 has jumped on board and decided to give me s#!% too. This being the only of the three i couldnt fix is whats pissing me off. This thing has ran like a raped ape from day one but today I switched the rash over to my dx3s and was setting the endpoints and what not, calibrated the speedo an picked the truck up to see how the startup was with and without load. Motor was making horrible noises so i shut her down right away. upon further inspection a found the rotor very tough to turn so i opened her up and this is what i found inside(see pics). The center race and the cage and all dropped out after i took the photos and now the outer race is stuck in the motor endcap. CRAP!! Havent checked but does castle sell rebuilds for the 14xx line yet? or will the cm-36 style rebuild work?

Eep, that's some bad bearing failure right there. That kind of thing really shouldn't happen; but unfortunately when you build enough of anything, there are bound to be defects. What Kv was this and what battery were you using it with? I think they might be the same endbell/bearing combination, or if they're not the same they may still be interchangeable; but I'd have to wait until I'm back in the office to do some measuring.

Strangely some retail sites are listing the 36mm rebuild kits as discontinued and they are not on our website either. This is news to me, so I'll have to look into what is going on when I get back in the office as well. Hopefully we'll be in tomorrow, but it really depends on how much more snow we get and how well they can get the roads cleared. I'll let you know as soon as I can. Thanks!

Thomas Porfert
Tech Support
Castle Creations

[slimthelineman]

Cool thanks Thomas. It was a 4600 on 2s. Same motor and batt setup as in the first post on this thread but it's been in my 2wheel for the last month or two. Was kinda strange too, raced it on Friday night and all was good. Let it sit until I screwed with it today and it gave out. Better than it doing it flying down the track though!

[kingdomracer]

Can I use the 1406/1Y 4600kv in a 6.5lb car like the 3800kv on CC site is rated at?
I plan to use it with an MMP also.

[slimthelineman]

I ran it in my 4x4 slash in the first post on this thread for about a dozen races. It was right at six pounds but it was purely for tourture testing purposes. Never ran hot or anything like that and had tons of power. Not sure if cc would recomend it but if you know what your doing you can make it work.

[Thomas Porfert]

Originally Posted by kingdomracer

Can I use the 1406/1Y 4600kv in a 6.5lb car like the 3800kv on CC site is rated at?
I plan to use it with an MMP also.

Originally Posted by slimthelineman

....if you know what your doing you can make it work.

+1. You can do a lot of things we don't recommend if you know what you're doing and know what warnings signs to look for if something is being stressed. As a blanket statement, we say the 1406 is not to be used in a short course truck, use the 1410 or 1415. But if you gear it correctly and monitor motor temps carefully, it should be able to produce more than enough power. Just don't try running it on 3s or try gearing it for 50MPH and you should be just fine.

Thomas Porfert
Tech Support
Castle Creations

[BrianG]

Originally Posted by Thomas Porfert

+1. You can do a lot of things we don't recommend if you know what you're doing and know what warnings signs to look for if something is being stressed. As a blanket statement, we say the 1406 is not to be used in a short course truck, use the 1410 or 1415. But if you gear it correctly and monitor motor temps carefully, it should be able to produce more than enough power. Just don't try running it on 3s or try gearing it for 50MPH and you should be just fine.

Thomas Porfert
Tech Support
Castle Creations

What? Do you mean I can't go 100mph+ with this setup? That's just bull! Can I use three of those motors on a Sidewinder then? C'mon, I want a super fast vehicle without spending over $200.

Seriously, no matter how hard you guys try to idiot-proof your stuff, there will be a bigger idiot out there.

[slimthelineman]

Heeeyyyyy I resemble that remark!!! Anybody know where I can find an front endbell and bearing for this 1406? I know cc has been closed cause the white stuff lately so I will call them later. It just pains me to see a cc product sitting in my pit bag not out there tearin it up.

[kingdomracer]

To be honest it was exactly what I was thinking, but sometimes you want to hear others confirm your thoughts, so I do appreciate the feedback.
I plan to be conservative as the results allow and then go from there.

[slimthelineman]

Anyone know if the cm-36 rebuild kits are still abailible? Can't find em anywhere. Was hoping they would work on the 1406 front endbell. If not I'll have to hit it with the heat gun to get the old bearing out..... Should be fun!

[Thomas Porfert]

Originally Posted by slimthelineman

Anyone know if the cm-36 rebuild kits are still abailible? Can't find em anywhere. Was hoping they would work on the 1406 front endbell. If not I'll have to hit it with the heat gun to get the old bearing out..... Should be fun!

Unfortunately the 36mm motor rebuild kits have been discontinued. You may find some still floating around some of the resellers though.

Thomas Porfert
Tech Support
Castle Creations

[SunnyHouTX]

Ran the 1406-7700 last Saturday but still wasn't able to make any worthwhile passes. Was sluggish off the line and then came on like a freight train after about 25 - 20 ft. Not what I'm looking for in my dragster or funny car (motor had similar performance in both). So I stuck a 4S pack on there and same thing happened. Only this time, the freight train was a bullet and car was uncontrollable after the initial launch...



Watch the reflection of the tree on the body, lower left corner.

Thankfully, the only carnage was the front wing mount and the body got torn up a little. Electronics are all A-OK.

[slimthelineman]

Ouch! Could have been worse I guess.