3/10/11 Hawaii Tsunami Warning

[thzero]

I did say the FIRST RESPONDERS, not necessarily the recovery crews but nonetheless the did face consequences to their actions. The point was that just as many FIRST RESPONDERS do they went in and have done their jobs putting others, instead of their own safety, first.

And I generally don't pay attention to the majority of the media, because time and again they are proven to be misleading, over sensationalized, and just often plain wrong.

[JERRY2KONE]

Just to clarify the first responders of the 9/11 terror attack never expected the towers to collaps on top of them. They went in (yes risking their lives) thinking that they could save hundreds of people, which they did, and then hopefully get out alive. It did not work out that way. It was a very sad moment in the history of the USA and we all suffered the losses in our own way ten years ago. The heros of that event have been and will be celebrated for many years. None of this discussion has had anything at all to do with that disaster.

The workers at this Japanese nuclear power plant come to work every single day and try their best to keep themselves and that of the general public out of danger by doing their job well. Today they know that they will more than likely die working in these reactor buildings, and yet day after day they are sacrificing their lives to try and avert a complete meltdown of this facility. I am sure that they are well aware of the catostrophic damage this facility can create if it is not brought under control not just for them, but for the world at large. They are being asked to give their lives for the future of their families, their people, and their country, as well as the safety of our planet as their families watch. It seems from your post that all you hope to do is downplay their sacrifice as if it does not deserve recognition, or equal that of the 9/11 responders. Comparing this to 9/11 as if it is no more of a sacrifice is completely irrelivant to their efforts in Japan today. I dout seriously if the twin towers were left to lay where they fell that it would have had any negative affects on the rest of New York or that of the world to the level that this could. So once again what is your point?

Please don't take offense but I do not understand what you are trying to say. Oh and if the information that we share on here is fear mongering than what relative facts do you have to share in this thread that will lead anyone to follow your thinking? What details about this facility do you have that should help us all believe that this is nothing at all for us to worry about? Please share your professional assessment of the current situation that contradicts what is being shared in the news, and in this thread. Please help us understand what your point is and how it is relative to this discussion. Please shed some devine light on this matter that will eleviate everyones fears on the matter and we can all just go home and forget about it. Just to add some of us have family and friends still in Japan.

[reno911]

[brainanator]

that is amazing reno...I have to share it!! :D :D LOL

[hemiblas]

I just read that the threat level was raised from 5 to 7. Does anyone have anymore news on this one? Anyone know if things are getting worst?

[reno911]

^^^^^^^^^^

Originally Posted by reno911

http://mountainrepublic.net/2011/03/...om-west-coast/
http://mountainrepublic.net/

Scroll down a bit on the main site.

Or go back a few posts.

http://www.radiationnetwork.com/index.htm

[JERRY2KONE]

Yes things are getting worse, just because Tepco has not made any significant progress to resolving this incident. The level of global radiation leakage is now expected to exceed that of Chernobyl. This is not good and the bigger problem is that they still do not have a resolution. The longer this goes on the more radiation that leaks into our environment casuing effects on the planet that can take decades to disapate. No one kows to what level this desaster will affect anyone else yet, because this is totally new ground for a nuclear disaster of this magnitude. More so for the people of Japan this may create a very large dead zone on their island for 100 years or more. It will be months or longer before anyone really knows the overall effects of this situation.

[JERRY2KONE]

This is just one piece of a story being told at villages throughout the northeastern shores of Japan. It is about hundreds of stone markers placed as a sort of warning barrier telling people not to build anything below those markers because of the histroy of Japan's repeated tsunami's over the centuries. Some are said to be dated back over 600 years telling of these freak waves that destroy homes and kill people, and yet they keep on building there. Over time we forget about these disasters and violate natures undaunted warnings. This is no different then the people who keep building in New Orleans on ground that is lower than the sea around it. How many times does humanity have to suffer great disasters like these to realize that it is not smart trying to beat the awsome power of this planet and its environment? How many thousands of people have to lose their lives needlessly before the message is understood? Seems pretty obvious to me.

The tightly-knit community of Aneyoshi, where people built homes above the marker, was an exception.

"Everybody here knows about the markers. We studied them in school," said Yuto Kimura, 12, who guided a recent visitor to one near his home. "When the tsunami came, my mom got me from school and then the whole village climbed to higher ground."

Aneyoshi, part of Miyako city, has been battered repeatedly by tsunamis, including a huge one in 1896. Isamu Aneishi, 69, said his ancestors moved their family-run inn to higher ground more than a hundred years ago.

But his three grandchildren were at an elementary school that sat just 500 feet (150 meters) from the water in Chikei, a larger town down the winding, cliffside road. The school and surrounding buildings are in ruins. Their bodies have not been found.

Farther south, the tsunami washed away a seven-foot (two-meter) tall stone tablet that stood next to a playground in the middle of Natori city. Its message was carved in giant Japanese characters: "If an earthquake comes, beware of tsunamis."

That didn't stop some people from leaving work early after the earthquake, some picking up their children at school en route, to check the condition of their homes near the coast.

Many didn't make it out alive. More than 820 bodies have been found in Natori, some stuck in the upper branches of trees after the water receded. Another 1,000 people are still missing.

Hiroshi Kosai grew up in Natori but moved away after high school. His parents, who remained in the family home, died in the disaster.

"I always told my parents it was dangerous here," said the 43-year-old Kosai, as he pointed out the broken foundation where the tablet once stood. "In five years, you'll see houses begin to sprout up here again."

[hemiblas]

You are right though that people forget over time. Even if they dont forget the memories get lessened over time.

I was hoping that the lack of information being posted on the power plants meant that things were getting better, but it seems like everyone is really just trying to keep whats going on quiet.

[reno911]

Originally Posted by hemiblas

You are right though that people forget over time. Even if they dont forget the memories get lessened over time.

I was hoping that the lack of information being posted on the power plants meant that things were getting better, but it seems like everyone is really just trying to keep whats going on quiet.

Bingo, I love what our EPA is doing on the matter. Quite funny actually. Raising the levels that are considered safe. Saying that they had a buffer on the previous numbers.

All the while they state that you should not go outside as the sun causes cancer, and that those under 18 should not be allowed to sun bath in a cancer coffin.

Its okay because this radiation is good radiation, and besides the pacific ocean is huge it will dilute the radiated material. Duh!

[JERRY2KONE]

Found this report this morning floating around the web.

Are the Fukushima 50 doomed to death?

Japan's nuclear heroes are credited with protecting their nation from a catastrophic meltdown. But at what cost to themselves? An instant guide

About 50 workers stayed behind at the Fukushima plant, enduring horrendous conditions and potentially signing themselves up for certain death, to prevent a total nuclear meltdown. Photo: CorbisSEE ALL 37 PHOTOS

Employees at Japan's stricken Fukushima nuclear power plant have been hailed as heroes for subjecting themselves to dangerous levels of radiation while they desperately labor to prevent a massive meltdown. Now, details of the conditions and fears of the so-called Fukushima 50 — the small group that stayed behind when most of the plant's workers were evacuated after the March 11 tsunami — have begun to emerge. Here, a glimpse of the life-threatening ordeal of the Fukushima 50:

Are their lives in danger?
Yes. Distraught relatives say that many of the plant's workers assume they are undertaking a suicide mission. They have been exposed to extremely high doses of radiation, and several have been treated for radiation burns. Through tears, the mother of a 32-year-old worker told Fox News by phone that her son and his colleagues know they are probably sacrificing their lives, and could have only weeks or months to live. "They have accepted they will all probably die from radiation sickness in the short term or cancer in the long-term," she said. "They know it is impossible for them not to have been exposed to lethal doses of radiation."

Can they protect themselves?
The Fukushima 50 wear protective suits, and those working in highly radioactive areas, such as the fuel rod containment chambers, can only stay there for 15 minutes at a time. They sleep in conference rooms, hallways, and stairwells, where each worker gets one blanket, and a lead mat to shield them from radiation. "My son has been sleeping on a desk because he is afraid to lie on the floor," said the woman who spoke to Fox News. "But they say high radioactivity is everywhere and I think this will not save him."

How bad are conditions at Fukushima?
Horrendous. The Fukushima 50 aren't on their own anymore — there are now about 400 Tokyo Electric Power Co. employees inside the plant. They work in rotating 12-hour shifts. The high levels of contamination make it hard to get supplies to them, so food and water are scarce. They get two meals a day: Typically, vegetable juice and 30 crackers each for breakfast, and instant rice for dinner. "I just wanted people to understand that there are many people fighting under harsh circumstances in the nuclear plants," one worker wrote in an email. "That is all I want. Crying is useless. If we're in hell now all we can do is to crawl up towards heaven."

Is the pressure getting to them?
Yes. In a note thanking fellow TEPCO employees for their hard work, one Fukushima supervisor broke down. "My parents were washed away by the tsunami and I still don't know where they are," he wrote. "I'm engaged in extremely tough work under this kind of mental condition. ... I can't take this any more!" Another worker, named Emiko Ueno wrote in an email quoted in The New York Times: "My town is gone,. My parents are still missing. I still cannot get in the area because of the evacuation order. I still have to work in such a mental state. This is my limit."

[hemiblas]

Its pretty sad to hear that. I thought everything I had read so far said that they were protecting workers, and that they were limiting their exposure to radiation. I guess we really dont know whats going on over there.

[pinkpanda3310]

They must've got more people because they came to the understanding that the situation is beyond the ability of 50. Also I think the gov't would've pushed to have as many people as possible clean this up as quickly as possible not only for the obvious but also to save face on an international scale. If they had the infrastructure I'm sure they would be telling all the workers there families would be in for a big package so give it your all, but given that most lived and worked in the area's worst hit, it seems like a logistical mess (let alone emotional mess).

[JERRY2KONE]

And that is what I was reading from teh people who are involved. A lot of them have lost everything, and even lost whatever friends and family they did have to the Tsunami. So they already feel as if they have nothing left to live for so why not commit to something that has real meaning to it. Saving Japan. Those who do still have family still lost everything they owned so they are doing it to ensure that their families will at least have something when this is all over with. Sacrificing for ones family is a human tradition that dates back hundreds of years, and is done by just about every culture on the globe.

From what I have been able to read on the internet, and gather from their movements at this plant they are already making plans to bury this stuff with a few feet of concrete, and set a perimeter around this plant that will pretty much be in affect for at least the next 100-200 years. I believe any hopes of getting this under control towards the clean up stage are long gone. They have been working hard to seal up any ground leakage so that once it is sealed in concrete that will be it.

[reno911]

Dumb question, not a Physicist, can these type of things lead to a nuclear explosion?

Just came to mind. Anyone care to shed some light?