New traxxas castle mamba monster extreme?

[suicideneil]

^No point complaining on the traxxas forum then- they'd just accuse you of traxxas bashing & ban you

[padrino]

It's just marketing, they are plying on the markets inclination to jump on new technology, and in any market a feeling of exclusivity always plays.

Coming into this they know informed consumers like the ones on RCM will buck it but we are a small minority.

[ta_man]

Originally Posted by padrino

It's just marketing, they are plying on the markets inclination to jump on new technology, and in any market a feeling of exclusivity always plays.

Coming into this they know informed consumers like the ones on RCM will buck it but we are a small minority.

Puzzling to me why an "informed consumer" that wants a 100MPH car would not buy this just because they have borrow an iDevice from someone to make the copy on the box match their car. Sounds prissy, not "informed."

Anyone else worried about being robbed for a Iphone or Ipod shuffle while driving your Eleven hundred dollar rc car?I hear theirs a big market stolen Iphone

[littlejohn]

Originally Posted by BrianG

Either way, no matter if it was Android, BlackBerry, Windows, etc; the issue I have is the purposeful crippling of the system without the added device. It's not about added cost, it's not about requiring Apple specifically. And I've made my opinion clear about this system if the reasoning is to mitigate liability.

lol... where have you been for the past 15 years? Intel & AMD have been doing this since almost forever. For a very long time now all their CPUs are the same chip, with the lower spec ones being crippled versions of their more powerful counterparts.
At least Trx allows you to un-cripple the product without doing a hack job on it ;)

A lot of car manufactures are the same. They detune engines in the ecu for specific markets. eg Audi TTS, S3, VW Golf R, GTi etc etc..

EDIT: I guess I understand your POV, it's more about the advertising of the product. Other companies don't advertise the potential of their products and then go on to say that you need to pay extra to realise the full potential (some do but not many). In the case of CPU mfgs, they just advertise the non / lesser crippled units as something totally different and make you pay for it. So at the end of the day, it just a matter of marketing perception.

[suicideneil]

^That isn't the issue either; the issue is that you need an extra device from a 3rd party to unlock the esc's potential; unlocking a dual core CPU to Quadcore is not the same issue at all ( especially since you don't have to pay extra to unlock a CPU & get extra performance via overclocking- CPUs being sold with different features disabled or enabled is indeed nothing new & does indeed force users into making trade-offs in their purchases & boost's intel's profits ( Intel are terrible for this, much worse than AMD which is why we need AMD to succeed in order to keep Intel honest and fairly priced as such... )).

[littlejohn]

Originally Posted by suicideneil

^That isn't the issue either; the issue is that you need an extra device from a 3rd party to unlock the esc's potential;.

So.. before CC came out with the field programming card..how was this different.
We all had to buy a pc / notebook to be able to unlock the true potential of our CC esc

[BrianG]

Nope, not at all. The link lets you make finer adjustments, but just about everything is settable via the transmitter. Even then, it's not like the output of the ESC doubled using a Castle Link...

[snellemin]

I'm still wondering how many whiners actually have the money to buy one of these?

[fastbaja5b]

If you're whining about having to buy an Ipod touch, yeah, how can you afford an X01 anyway?

If I buy a $50k sports car do I say it's a conspiracy because it needs premium fuel?

[snellemin]

I did get upset when my 5.4L V8 Ford only came with 8 spark plugs. I was expecting 16 as my 2.4L 4 banger uses 8 plugs. I complained openly to anybody about this. But alas, Ford is not going to budge.

[littlejohn]

Originally Posted by BrianG

Nope, not at all. The link lets you make finer adjustments, but just about everything is settable via the transmitter. Even then, it's not like the output of the ESC doubled using a Castle Link...

It's still just a school boy marketing 101 mistake. If they said 70+mph out of the box, nothing more to pay, 100+mph with traxxas app from app store (fine print. iOS device req'd) No one would care.
They made a fundamental mistake mis-managing expectations.

btw... I wasn't aware it was possible to set dynamic timing via the Tx. IMO, that's a BIG feature.

[Unsullied_Spy]

Originally Posted by littlejohn

lol... where have you been for the past 15 years? Intel & AMD have been doing this since almost forever. For a very long time now all their CPUs are the same chip, with the lower spec ones being crippled versions of their more powerful counterparts.
At least Trx allows you to un-cripple the product without doing a hack job on it ;)

A lot of car manufactures are the same. They detune engines in the ecu for specific markets. eg Audi TTS, S3, VW Golf R, GTi etc etc..

EDIT: I guess I understand your POV, it's more about the advertising of the product. Other companies don't advertise the potential of their products and then go on to say that you need to pay extra to realise the full potential (some do but not many). In the case of CPU mfgs, they just advertise the non / lesser crippled units as something totally different and make you pay for it. So at the end of the day, it just a matter of marketing perception.

A lot of de-tuned computer hardware is made from chips that don't pass QC for a higher-rated device. Take the GeForce 6800 Ultra/GT/GS for example. The best chips went into the Ultra and had the highest clock rates. The GT was a great card in its day, but the Ultra could still be overclocked farther before destabilizing. I had a GT flashed to Ultra firmware and overclocked past Ultra stock settings, but any true Ultra would go to higher clock speeds before destabilizing. The GS was basically a GT with 4 pixel rendering pipelines and a shader disabled, some could be succesfully unlocked and some had issues when unlocked. Those would normally have been thrown out but instead they locked out the defective parts and sold the parts at a discounted price. That kind of locking is OK because you're getting a good deal on something that would normally have been thrown out, and it still performed really well. Once my GT burned up I got a GS to replace it and it unlocked just fine, awesome. Burned the GS up and got another one on warranty, that one wouldn't unlock without artifacting but it was nowhere near the cost of the GT.

Most modern cars come tuned to deliver about ~70-80% of what they're capable of for a number of reasons. They can sacrifice power in favor of fuel economy, in some cases change the tax or insurance classifications for a car, keep idiots from blowing their engines and blaming the manufacturer, there's a ton of different things. It's not about making someone buy a tune or anything, it's about making it last longer, cost less, etc.

I agree with the marketing, if it's going to be 100+ capable then they should specify that. When I got my mini Revo it said on the box what it would do out of the box and what it would do if I changed the gearing and put a bigger battery in it. Then again, when I bought my 3.3 Nitro 4-Tec I just broke in the engine and hit the throttle. 0-60 in ~3.5 seconds according to TRX and with some porting of the engine and taller gears it'd do 80+ but the 4-Tec has never come limited...

Originally Posted by snellemin

I'm still wondering how many whiners actually have the money to buy one of these?

I hope someone does.I wanna see some spectacular 100 mph plus youtube crash videos

[josh9mille]

Originally Posted by Erevocanuck

I hope someone does.I wanna see some spectacular 100 mph plus youtube crash videos

Oh im sure there will be plenty of those! Actually isnt the car out already? Has anyone looked on youtube for vids yet?