I am wrong about MaxAmps.

[johnrobholmes]

Lutach,

PQ is indeed enerland cells.

There are many unscrupulous sellers in china. At a Chinese trade show one of the employees of Novak went up to the hobbywing booth and had the HW rep tell him that they produced the ESC's for Novak. The novak employee then informed the HW rep who he was. Open mouth, insert foot. Novak does not have HW make ESCs for them.


I just may say something to one of my reps about this. He knew all along where MA was getting their cells, and had some interesting tibits about tronics last time we talked.

[lutach]

Originally Posted by johnrobholmes

Lutach,

PQ is indeed enerland cells.

There are many unscrupulous sellers in china. At a Chinese trade show one of the employees of Novak went up to the hobbywing booth and had the HW rep tell him that they produced the ESC's for Novak. The novak employee then informed the HW rep who he was. Open mouth, insert foot. Novak does not have HW make ESCs for them.


I just may say something to one of my reps about this. He knew all along where MA was getting their cells, and had some interesting tibits about tronics last time we talked.

HW is another case that is driving me nuts. They told me they couldn't send the 120A car controller here because of the relationship with Speed Passion. Now Venom and Orion will have their system branded. I told HW I would like a controller that had double the power board and a few changes of software so it would be completely different from SP, Venom and Orion. HW told me I needed to buy 2000 units a year, well I told HW I could buy 2000 units right away as I can cover Brasil with their product and no answer from HW. The Asians knows how to build stuff, but their business ethics has to change. The battery industry their is somewhat the same way. I contacted a few places asking for some samples and at first they all agree to send samples. But for some reason they tend to go the other way after I send them all my info.

[aqwut]

Originally Posted by johnrobholmes

Lutach,

PQ is indeed enerland cells.

There are many unscrupulous sellers in china. At a Chinese trade show one of the employees of Novak went up to the hobbywing booth and had the HW rep tell him that they produced the ESC's for Novak. The novak employee then informed the HW rep who he was. Open mouth, insert foot. Novak does not have HW make ESCs for them.


I just may say something to one of my reps about this. He knew all along where MA was getting their cells, and had some interesting tibits about tronics last time we talked.

What I would've paid to see the look on that guys face..

Lutach.. Business ethics in China, LOL... I don't think it'll ever change.. sell at ALL cost..

[lutach]

Originally Posted by aqwut

What I would've paid to see the look on that guys face..

Lutach.. Business ethics in China, LOL... I don't think it'll ever change.. sell at ALL cost..

They don't want to sell, that's the problem . All they told me to do is wait for the 1/8 scale controller, but I've heard Speed Passion will come out wit one as well and my guess is the HW will be making them for SP. All I can do is shoot for HV car controller and join the big club: Schulze, Kontronik, MGM and Actronic. Those are the only ones I know that makes HV 12S controllers and up.

[Finnster]

My thoughts on MA are this:

They are a dealer of "cheap" entry-level/basher packs, unfortunately they are not that cheap. They tend to consistanly overrate their product to stay competitive w/ other makers and justify inflated prices.

I remember when they were first starting out on Ebay selling GP3300 cells. They guaranteed 1.21v/cell@30A (IIRC) on unmatched and untested cells. They had a money back guarantee if the cells if they could not do this.

Question is, how can they make that claim? The cells were never tested! They were sold right out the box. Well, because people don't have a $600 CE discharger to test them and prove they are not what they say they are. People (n00bs) see those cells guaranteed, and then see tested and matched cells going for much more. Why pay $75 for a matched racing pack that does maybe 1.18V, when you can buy a ~$30 pack that is guaranteed to do 1.21V? Where were they getting all these magical GP cells that did huge voltages, and that were so reliable they didn't even have to test them to be sure? Meanwhile all the other batt makers had to screen and match cells to find the very rare few that could do such high voltages... talk about overhead... Meanwhile those buyers prolly only ever owned crappy powerizer packs or such, and the difference was so big few questioned the claim.

Its complete BS, and most should know it, but they sold tons of packs. Now the price they were charging for a normal sxs 6cell GP3300 wasn't hugely expensive, but it was several $$ more than other makers just selling (the same) plain jane 6cell GP packs. I call it the MaxAmps Bull$%it Mark-up Factor, and frankly its been very successful for them and they've grown tremendously.

I don't think their products are necc horrible. They are just not that good, and expensive for what they are. They are roughly the same quality as several TrueRC packs but with an easier form factor, regardless of actual manufacturer. TrueRC doesn't overhype their cells (you know what you are getting), their website is fairly crappy, but they are fairly-priced and honest in what they sell.
I have, and will continue to buy my cheap packs from TRC, and if I want better cells I will buy Neus. The price is not that far off MA's, but they are considerably higher quality and performance.
Caveat emptor, bitches. [/Chappelle]

[lutach]

TrueRC keeps it real with what I like to call it TrueCR (C Rating). I have their packs that I bought before my Max Amps pack and guess which one is still going. All Max Amps has to do is make a really nice apology letter to everyone. Aqwut probably bought the 2100mAh pack by going with what MA said that they were 20C and in fact they are 15C. That is really messed up. They should just get rid of this packs they have with true C rating (10C) and move on to high quality cells. Now people are catching on to their fake rating and with some guys sueing companies for stuff like this, they better keep on a look out.