Cmon Castle, are you serious?

[BrianG]

Now it's my turn to rant. And this isn't directed to e-mikey specifically, but to all the complainers (you know who you are).

I really don't get all the whining about the MMM. Yes, Castle has problems with V1 and possibly issues with V2 (too new to say for sure). So what? If you don't like the ESC, or Castles CS, or the way Patrick parts his hair, don't buy Castle products!

Patrick has said the failure rate for V2 is lower than when the MM came out. There are other options out there (Novak, Quark, MGM, BK, Schulze, MM, etc). Sure, they are more expensive and/or don't have the features the MMM has, but the options ARE there. I think it's really funny seeing people complain about V1 but then get another one (knowing the risk) and complain more.

Everyone wants a high voltage, high current, inexpensive, massively programmable ESC that is flawless with no problems. Well, you're just gonna have to give a little. Period.

[lincpimp]

Originally Posted by BrianG

Now it's my turn to rant. And this isn't directed to e-mikey specifically, but to all the complainers (you know who you are).

I really don't get all the whining about the MMM. Yes, Castle has problems with V1 and possibly issues with V2 (too new to say for sure). So what? If you don't like the ESC, or Castles CS, or the way Patrick parts his hair, don't buy Castle products!

Patrick has said the failure rate for V2 is lower than when the MM came out. There are other options out there (Novak, Quark, MGM, BK, Schulze, MM, etc). Sure, they are more expensive and/or don't have the features the MMM has, but the options ARE there. I think it's really funny seeing people complain about V1 but then get another one (knowing the risk) and complain more.

Everyone wants a high voltage, high current, inexpensive, massively programmable ESC that is flawless with no problems. Well, you're just gonna have to give a little. Period.

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I would like to add that the MMM cost alot of us around $150-160 shipped. Most comparable escs are nearly twice the price, and lack one or more features of the MMM. Castle is throwing us a huge bone here, so lets cut them some slack...

[magman]

Originally Posted by lincpimp

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I would like to add that the MMM cost alot of us around $150-160 shipped. Most comparable escs are nearly twice the price, and lack one or more features of the MMM. Castle is throwing us a huge bone here, so lets cut them some slack...

Well said...for what this controller has to offer, and the price we paid for it...come on people, lighten up. Besides, it is a NEW product, it takes time to work out ALL the bugs. We should all commend CC for the support of this product and for the other controller products as well. To those who are complaining, how many have a MM esc? I would be willing to bet most of you. When they released the MM esc, it took time to get the bugs out and now, they have a tremendous esc on their hands which many of us enjoy.

In this hobby NOTHING is guaranteed fool proof...... Be patient......... and good things will come!

[lincpimp]

Originally Posted by magman

In this hobby NOTHING is guaranteed fool proof......

Ahh, but we are gauranteed FOOLS in the hobby....

[magman]

Originally Posted by lincpimp

Ahh, but we are gauranteed FOOLS in the hobby....

That's for sure!

BrianG, I just see all these people saying how good the MMM and CC is so I bit, several times. I have nothing against CC really, which is why I deleted that post, it was just a rant. Sometimes I say things out of emotion.

I had no issues with my MM so I gave the MMM a shot. I thought the CCBEC issue I had was a fluke, I got another. Learned my lesson after the second time. You can believe that I wont buy another CCBEC or MMM, at least until everything is worked out.

Again it was just a rant.

And BTW, I love the way Patrick parts his hair.

[BrianG]

Originally Posted by e-mikey

BrianG, I just see all these people saying how good the MMM and CC is so I bit, several times. I have nothing against CC really, which is why I deleted that post, it was just a rant. Sometimes I say things out of emotion.

I had no issues with my MM so I gave the MMM a shot. I thought the CCBEC issue I had was a fluke, I got another. Learned my lesson after the second time. You can believe that I wont buy another CCBEC or MMM, at least until everything is worked out.

Again it was just a rant.

And BTW, I love the way Patrick parts his hair.

I was writing my response before/while you editing your post, so it may seem a bit out of context. Believe me, I edited my post because it was much more emotional as well.

I too wonder what people are doing to smoke their MMMs. The BEC thing is one thing, but a flaming ESC is usually a problem with the setup.

Anyone notice that the rumor is that the MMM is rated for 200A, but the MMM in the "Special Projects" page is rated for only 120A? (http://www.castlespecialprojects.com...ntrollers.html) Is it a totally different controller than the RC version we use? I really don't think so, and wonder if the amp hungry motors and/or non-optimal gearing are just too much?

[lincpimp]

Originally Posted by e-mikey

As selfish as this may sound, my controller is more important to me than babies in the microwave.

HAHAHA, so true. While it was not the babies fault, I am sure that it was most likely in the shallow end of te gene pool, if the parents were anything to go by... Thanks for the laugh!

Originally Posted by BrianG

I too wonder what people are doing to smoke their MMMs. The BEC thing is one thing, but a flaming ESC is usually a problem with the setup.

Anyone notice that the rumor is that the MMM is rated for 200A, but the MMM in the "Special Projects" page is rated for only 120A? (http://www.castlespecialprojects.com...ntrollers.html) Is it a totally different controller than the RC version we use? I really don't think so, and wonder if the amp hungry motors and/or non-optimal gearing are just too much?

Has anyone checked the specs of the fets used? I am running my v1 on 4s lipo in a erevo geared 19/50 with a 1515 1.5d. From what i can gather that is a reasonably amp hungry motor (not as bad as a 7xl?) and the esc has no issues with it. Motor temps seem to be around 150-260f, and the MMM never gets hot, mostly due to 100% running fan. My lipos do get warm, like 120f. They are trakpower 4900 25c packs, so I figure that the setup is beating 100amps. I have a pair of fp 3700 4s 25c packs that i plan to run in parallel. That should provide the motor with some more power, and we will see who the MMM does. 185 amps cont rating with the fp packs...

[MetalMan]

Originally Posted by BrianG

Anyone notice that the rumor is that the MMM is rated for 200A, but the MMM in the "Special Projects" page is rated for only 120A? (http://www.castlespecialprojects.com...ntrollers.html) Is it a totally different controller than the RC version we use? I really don't think so, and wonder if the amp hungry motors and/or non-optimal gearing are just too much?

My guess is that CC attempted to follow the arbitrary rating method of other brushless CAR ESC manufacturers to come up with a number that could work for the sake of comparison. But then for industrial applications they had to supply real-world numbers for actual continuous operation (unlike the 15amp average/200amp peaks we are accustomed to).

[Pdelcast]

Originally Posted by MetalMan

My guess is that CC attempted to follow the arbitrary rating method of other brushless CAR ESC manufacturers to come up with a number that could work for the sake of comparison. But then for industrial applications they had to supply real-world numbers for actual continuous operation (unlike the 15amp average/200amp peaks we are accustomed to).

We never rated the MMM for hobby use -- ever. The 200A figure was something one of our customers came up with.... We won't stoop to the level of companies who purposefully deceive the public about their ratings to sell products. For example, another company likes to rate their controllers at a "25C" rating -- basically they take the 25C surge (under 20 millisecond) rating of the FETs in their controllers and tout that as a "current" rating. What it is: essentially they are giving a complete BS rating -- the rating could never be achieved in the real world, and is therefore a completely useless rating.

Castle, in aircraft and boat world, uses realistic ratings. The current ratings can be achieved with steady state temperatures with rated airflow. So you could run, for example, a Phoenix-60 at 60 amps with 5mph airflow ALL DAY LONG without overheating the controller. If we rated it the way other car controllers are rated, the Phoenix-60 would be a 550 amp speed control. Could it handle 550 amps? No way... So we don't rate it that way. Even though our competitors in the airplane and boat markets CONTINUE to rate their controllers with unrealistic numbers, Castle has never, and will never, rate our controllers unrealistically.

In the car market though, companies have always used BS ratings to boost their sales -- they lie to the customers, the customers accept the lies as truth, and then they buy controllers that can't meet a BS rating.

We decided that rather than deceive the public with a BS rating, that we just wouldn't rate the MMM. If we rated the MMM with a realistic rating, we would look anemic compared to our competitors, when in fact the MMM could handle much more power. And I wouldn't allow a rating that was pure fiction either....

[jhautz]

While I think that not rating your controllers is certainly better than a BS rating, I for one would like to know what the real world capability is of the controllers. Even if I cant compare it to other manufacturers I would be able to compare it to other castle controllers and decide what excatly I needed for my setup and power goals. I think that if you established some sort of real test procedure that rated your controlers and pulicicised the test methods, you are popular enough and have built a respectable enough reputation that you could have a chnace of establishing a standard that if nothing else other independant organizations could test to. Its not uncommon for RC magazines to do dyno testing on nitro motors now days so as this segment grows I would expect similar types of testing to happen in the RC pubilcations of the various speed controllers. At least I hope it happens someday.

EDIT: I actually think its an opportunity to establish your company as even more of a leader in the industry.

I'm a complainer and I'm taking your advise 100%.