Traxxas Summit New Truck - Page 7 - RC-Monster Forums

Tempted · 10.25.2008, 03:27 AM

I am not happy with the Traxxas forum, I am not biased against their products. If it were Losi who made the truck, I would feel the same about it. We wanted a Traxxas crawler and this is what we got. We already had a low speed off-road truck in the Maxx and didn't really need another one. I was just pointing out what I felt needed improvement and someone thought I was thrashing the company. That just isn't so. I love some Traxxas products. The E-Revo, the Maxx trucks, the Rusty and Bandit VXLs and the best starter truck of all time, the Stampede. I own many Traxxas vehicles. I just really wanted to see a crawler from them, not a jacked up Revo.

hemiblas · 10.25.2008, 09:20 AM

Ya I think a lot of people were expecting a crawler. It will be interesting to try in on the rocks and see how it does, but the weight distribution is all wrong for a crawler. I think traxxas looks at the big picture, which means that as much as crawling is getting popular its still not popular enough and wont get them enough sales. Selectable lockers are a nice feature, but real crawlers dont need them.
This truck will appeal to the masses. I personally think my emaxx 3905 is just a bit too low in terms of ground clearance, but its the perfect combo between speed and stability. This truck will bridge that gap.
I will agree that I think that a single 775 motor is not going to be stellar, but I'm hoping that my 970 will fit. I wanted to go brushless but I dont think thats going to work for that truck.

hemiblas · 09:24 AM

I saw one of the members mod an e-revo and as soon as I saw it I thought I had to have one. Here are some pics. The thing is just a monster. I was looking to build something like this, but then the summit came out. So do you think I would be better off just modding an emaxx, locking the rear diffs? Are there extended arms for the emaxx that would give it the wider/taller stance? or are those arms just for the e-revo?

Tempted · 04:46 PM

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Originally Posted by hemiblas

I saw one of the members mod an e-revo and as soon as I saw it I thought I had to have one. Here are some pics. The thing is just a monster. I was looking to build something like this, but then the summit came out. So do you think I would be better off just modding an emaxx, locking the rear diffs? Are there extended arms for the emaxx that would give it the wider/taller stance? or are those arms just for the e-revo?

The problem with jacking up a Revo or Maxx, or any other independent suspension vehicle, is the angle of the drivelines. A CV joint just can't handle the angles of super high trucks, exactly like the real thing. Think of a Chevy Z71. At high lift, the front driveshafts snap like twigs and throw the geometry off. Anyone who builds a Z71 will almost always do a solid axle swap. It preserves the geometry under any amount of lift or flex. All you need to jack a Maxx up are longer shocks and turnbuckles. But the lift will cause broken shafts and funky handling.

E-fanatic · 10.25.2008, 09:26 AM

I am looking at putting a dewalt 12volt motor in mine (I seen a pic of someone doing it in there e-revo) Now that motor will have huge amounts of torque and still git up ang go when need be. Hope with the low gearing and a huge motor it doesnt trash the drivetrain to bad.

hemiblas · 10.25.2008, 04:56 PM

That makes sense. So you think the Summit is going to have the same problem then? Might be why they are limiting the speed on that thing.

Tempted · 10.25.2008, 05:01 PM

I think if the Summit gets any more power than stock then yes, there will be driveline failures. I don't know if they are going to fail stock, I can only assume they will. They did, however, redesign the shafts and added a better CV joint to accomodate the increased angle. They have tried this on full size trucks which failed horribly and that is the reason I believe these will fail as well. I am almost positive they will crumble under any more power, and brushless will most certainly kill them.

DRIFT_BUGGY · 10.25.2008, 07:46 PM

DRIFT_BUGGY · 10.25.2008, 07:47 PM

Tempted · 10.25.2008, 08:14 PM

I like the wheels and tires. One more issue I see is all those servos. There is a known problem with the Traxxas units stripping the plastic gears, I can only wonder what kind of nightmare those will pose unless they are some metal geared pieces. I'm less impressed now that I was before. I do like the lights built into the bumpers.

t-maxxracer32 · 11.10.2008, 01:42 PM

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I like the wheels and tires. One more issue I see is all those servos. There is a known problem with the Traxxas units stripping the plastic gears, I can only wonder what kind of nightmare those will pose unless they are some metal geared pieces. I'm less impressed now that I was before. I do like the lights built into the bumpers.

man. you are just a hater.

Tempted · 11.10.2008, 02:46 PM

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man. you are just a hater.

How? You don't see faults in everything I listed? True, I hate the idea of the truck but that doesn't make me a hater. It doesn't make sense. Punching the numbers in this truck will run less than 20mph on 14 cells. So any bashing done at speed would be just boring. Think of the oringinal E-Maxx's first gear. Very boring, eh? This truck will be miserably boring to drive anywhere with any flat ground. It shouldn't crawl over rocks any better than a spooled Maxx truck with the same size tires. As for the 775 motor, how do you know they make more power than 2 Titans? I haven't seen any specs on them. You gear a Maxx down to 20mph in second gear and you have a truck with insane torque. And I don't know if you guys really get how slow 20mph is in one of these trucks. It is slower than most dogs running speeds. And the drivelines are still too steep of an angle. The will break under much power or tire binding. This truck will not be brushless capable.

5 servos...... 5 servos????? 5 servos!!!!! That truck is a nightmare to repair having to remove and re-set that many servos. How hard is it to just get 2 E-Maxx steering servos synced up? And how "strong" are those gears? We break those servos in STAMPEDES, they are going to fail miserably off road under any light crawling. You guys be the test rats, and if I'm wrong I will say it but I am willing to bet that as soon as these hit the streets we get complaints rolling in.

_paralyzed_ · 11.10.2008, 04:55 PM

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Originally Posted by Tempted

How? You don't see faults in everything I listed? True, I hate the idea of the truck but that doesn't make me a hater. It doesn't make sense. Punching the numbers in this truck will run less than 20mph on 14 cells. So any bashing done at speed would be just boring. Think of the oringinal E-Maxx's first gear. Very boring, eh? This truck will be miserably boring to drive anywhere with any flat ground. It shouldn't crawl over rocks any better than a spooled Maxx truck with the same size tires. As for the 775 motor, how do you know they make more power than 2 Titans? I haven't seen any specs on them. You gear a Maxx down to 20mph in second gear and you have a truck with insane torque. And I don't know if you guys really get how slow 20mph is in one of these trucks. It is slower than most dogs running speeds. And the drivelines are still too steep of an angle. The will break under much power or tire binding. This truck will not be brushless capable.

5 servos...... 5 servos????? 5 servos!!!!! That truck is a nightmare to repair having to remove and re-set that many servos. How hard is it to just get 2 E-Maxx steering servos synced up? And how "strong" are those gears? We break those servos in STAMPEDES, they are going to fail miserably off road under any light crawling. You guys be the test rats, and if I'm wrong I will say it but I am willing to bet that as soon as these hit the streets we get complaints rolling in.

Tempted- you are a hater of the worst kind! An imaginary hater, living in a pretend world where your assumptions about the summit are reality. You really show your youth and ignorance when talking with such conviction about something that doesn't exist yet. Now on to your rants: Bashing at 20mph may be boring to you, but there is all kinds of bashing and all kinds of people. It will crawl much better than a spooled maxx truck, thanks to it's low gearing, high torque motor, and phenomenal articulation of the revo suspension. (ever gauge RTI, or ramp travel index, the good crawlers have, articulation helps) And have you watched the summit videos? It crawls quite well. Maybe you haven't seen specs on a 775 motor, but many of us have seen specs on almost every motor we can find. It's not a "traxxas" motor with hidden specs, it's a 775 sized motor with easy to find specs with a "traxxas" sticker on it, and according to how many watts of power produced, one 775 has more torque than two 550's. I don't know if you know how fast 20mph is. Not many dogs can run 20mph. A man walking is 3-4 mph, 7 mph is a slight jog. 20mph in a small yard is petty fast. Most racers are geared below 40, and bashing in a yard they get nowhere near top speed. You might want to get a radar gun andsee some actual speeds and familiarize yourself with them before talking or writing to forums, you really make yourself sound foolish. Nobody knows about the diffs, but the rest of the truck is brushless capable, as proven in the e-revo. 5 servos. Cool! Since 3 of the 5 are for shifting they won't see any load and won't break. The steering servfos are the new metal geared digital servos, so those won't break. You have a hard time synching two e-maxx servos? That's day one stuff, if that's too hard for you, you may want to get out of r/c and check out the forums at www.legosforkiddies.com Their toys are much more user friendly.

JThiessen · 11.10.2008, 06:10 PM

Tempted - you'd better watch out. _paralyzed_ has one bad ass chair......

Tempted · 11.10.2008, 09:51 PM

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Tempted- you are a hater of the worst kind! An imaginary hater, living in a pretend world where your assumptions about the summit are reality. You really show your youth and ignorance when talking with such conviction about something that doesn't exist yet. Now on to your rants: Bashing at 20mph may be boring to you, but there is all kinds of bashing and all kinds of people. It will crawl much better than a spooled maxx truck, thanks to it's low gearing, high torque motor, and phenomenal articulation of the revo suspension. (ever gauge RTI, or ramp travel index, the good crawlers have, articulation helps) And have you watched the summit videos? It crawls quite well. Maybe you haven't seen specs on a 775 motor, but many of us have seen specs on almost every motor we can find. It's not a "traxxas" motor with hidden specs, it's a 775 sized motor with easy to find specs with a "traxxas" sticker on it, and according to how many watts of power produced, one 775 has more torque than two 550's. I don't know if you know how fast 20mph is. Not many dogs can run 20mph. A man walking is 3-4 mph, 7 mph is a slight jog. 20mph in a small yard is petty fast. Most racers are geared below 40, and bashing in a yard they get nowhere near top speed. You might want to get a radar gun andsee some actual speeds and familiarize yourself with them before talking or writing to forums, you really make yourself sound foolish. Nobody knows about the diffs, but the rest of the truck is brushless capable, as proven in the e-revo. 5 servos. Cool! Since 3 of the 5 are for shifting they won't see any load and won't break. The steering servfos are the new metal geared digital servos, so those won't break. You have a hard time synching two e-maxx servos? That's day one stuff, if that's too hard for you, you may want to get out of r/c and check out the forums at www.legosforkiddies.com Their toys are much more user friendly.

Actually I am very familiar with 20mph speeds in MTs and it is mind numbingly boring. Dogs can run at 45mph by the way. Sorry if yours is slow, guess you need a brushless motor. So how many watts does the 775 make? Why would it crawl better than a spooled Maxx truck? You can gear down on a Maxx truck and have all the torque you will ever want or need to crawl. I am willing to bet you right here and now that as soon as it sees a real MT sized brushless system the truck will fail imdiately. The drive angles are too steep, the gears are too low meaning too much torque to the gimmicky lockers and the ride height is too tall paired with the soft suspension meaning it will roll at any speeds above 15 or so MPH. So your telling me the E-Maxx has no steering servo problems? Your telling me it isn't a pain in the ass having to set them every time you take a big jump? And then adjusting the shifting and locker servos is gonna be great fun. So I'm foolishly asking you to answer questions you foolishly think you know. I'm stating facts about the machine, your saying that it looks cool on the video. On papaer this truck is terrible. Kids who like the looks and want lights will enjoy it.