A lot of fake UE stuff!!!!

[TexasSP]

Never bought from UE, nor have I owned UE. Never heard of billytrucks until today. Based on what I have seen over 7 years with Robin on multiple forums, he is no saint by far. From a completely anlaytical standpoint on ebay I find this interesting:

Billytrucks has over 2600 feedback with a 99.9% feedback rating.

UE has a 119 feedback with a 94.4% feedback rating.

The only negative feedback left for billytrucks is from a person who has a poor rating himself while the negatives for UE are from people with 100% feedback rating.

That doesn't really stand in UE's favor either. I posted on the UE forum and was promptly banned. Funny Robin also said he didn't believe for a minute I managed a machine shop as part of my job from 03-08. I have a lot of experience with parts/complexity/pricing and know for fact UE's prices were always ridculously high. My shop made parts way more complex that even the VBS bulks.

Please also understand that my machine shop's function was to support a company that made gaskets by supplying parts for machines we used that we deisgned and built in house. My machine shop supervision was a part of my overall duties with the company. In the plant I worked for we had over 75 CNC machines. A 4400 watt laser and a 2600 watt laser, multi axis mills, and around 25 manual lathes and mills. Many of our CNC machines were designed, built, and programmed in house. Here is the website for the company I worked for: http://www.flexitallic.com/

I could care less about billytrucks and if he is selling fake parts then he should be punished appropriately. However, Robin isn't exactly "clean" in my opinion either.

I posted this here because some people on the UE forum post here as well and know who I am.

[jayjay283]

When I bought from Robin it was always listed on the site in stock, and was exactly as ordered ..bit heavy on the shipping (maybe price too) but knew it when ordered and really couldnt complain as nothing EVER failed.. Billy trucks was selling sometimes used and sometimes new parts.. I thought at 1 time Robin was using him to get rid of some stock as Billy sold the new stuff for the same price, so either had a deal or made no money. Not crying conspiracy here, just saying 9 or 10 of Billys A+++ Sales were from me and A+++ sales from Robin too, Never more than 3 or 4 days till my tearing eyes had the sick stuff in my hands. Hope you all work it out. Dont get pissy and deprive of us of the goods. You da men

I've got a SM, a UE Lightning and Dace Predator in pieces (haven't built it yet). I got duped on these whatever you want to call them setbacks - his ad had a line in about "you know UE and you know its the best" or something like that. His ad was such that you wouldn't have questioned that he was selling UE parts.

My purchase was long enough ago (July) that the ad is no longer available. I wished it were cause I was totally sure I was buying UE setbacks, otherwise I'd never paid $185 for a single pr of arms that I can assure you. The rarity of certain UE items make enable them to command pretty high prices which is what got this fake or counterfeit mess started I believe.

Billy has told me he will take the arms back subject to his return conditions and thats getting started so I don't know how thats going to come out. If I get my money back, for me its over. I'll view Billy in a different light, however, cause minimum, he knew those arms were not UE. I don't care if he made them or caused them to be made, he sold them as UE knowing they were not. Find someone who bought a pr at $185 (BIN) like I did that can still get to the ebay ad and its going to be obvious they were sold as UE.

It would be great if UE would crank out parts again, even if its just set back and high impacts, I'd be there, in line, pre-ordering like a lot of others. I've been on UE forums long enough to know that not everything that gets talked about over there happens though, so we'll have to wait and see. If Robin does make some new pieces, I will send a note of thanks to the ebay bidder who outbid me on a set of real UE set backs (they weren't Billy's) in the last minute. He won a single pr of NIP UE arms with his $345 bid, lol!! I don't know if I could ever run them having paid that kind of cash for them. Course its all relative and depends on what kind of money you make, doesn't it??

[George16]

Originally Posted by Duster_360

I've got a SM, a UE Lightning and Dace Predator in pieces (haven't built it yet). I got duped on these whatever you want to call them setbacks - his ad had a line in about "you know UE and you know its the best" or something like that. His ad was such that you wouldn't have questioned that he was selling UE parts.

My purchase was long enough ago (July) that the ad is no longer available. I wished it were cause I was totally sure I was buying UE setbacks, otherwise I'd never paid $185 for a single pr of arms that I can assure you. The rarity of certain UE items make enable them to command pretty high prices which is what got this fake or counterfeit mess started I believe.

Billy has told me he will take the arms back subject to his return conditions and thats getting started so I don't know how thats going to come out. If I get my money back, for me its over. I'll view Billy in a different light, however, cause minimum, he knew those arms were not UE. I don't care if he made them or caused them to be made, he sold them as UE knowing they were not. Find someone who bought a pr at $185 (BIN) like I did that can still get to the ebay ad and its going to be obvious they were sold as UE.

It would be great if UE would crank out parts again, even if its just set back and high impacts, I'd be there, in line, pre-ordering like a lot of others. I've been on UE forums long enough to know that not everything that gets talked about over there happens though, so we'll have to wait and see. If Robin does make some new pieces, I will send a note of thanks to the ebay bidder who outbid me on a set of real UE set backs (they weren't Billy's) in the last minute. He won a single pr of NIP UE arms with his $345 bid, lol!! I don't know if I could ever run them having paid that kind of cash for them. Course its all relative and depends on what kind of money you make, doesn't it??

I think it was Tuskony who won that $345 NIP setbacks and then sold it to in Ebay to a guy in Florida(ebay ID purereb) 4-5 days ago. Now, purereb is selling it on ebay with a reserve: http://cgi.ebay.com/Unlimited-Engine...3A1%7C294%3A50

Check his feedback to find out where the setbacks came from: http://feedback.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAP...eedbackAsBuyer

Anyway, like I said over at UE, I'll only believe what Robin has to say after seeing parts being made. He had same the same thing the past 2-3 years and nothing came out of it. Hopefully this fiasco would be enough for him to swallow his pride and re-establish his business dealings with a capable machine shop(if there is still anyone willing to make parts for him) .