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07.26.2009, 03:18 AM

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No one uses Enerland anymore, except PolyQuest as far as I know.

A123Systems bought out Enerland, and Polyquest as well, as it is now a division of A123systems.

I am not sure if they have a 'newer' chemistry to compete with the other brands packs (G3 35C, TP 40C....), because the old school Enerland cells don't even compare to these packs, as good as they are.

About Chinese manufacturing... for a given price point, you CAN make a MUCH better product in China vs. Korea, or anywhere else. Take for example my oldest brother's brand new audiophile vacuum tube amplifier ('Melody' brand), this amp has been rated, with 'price-no-object', THE best amp in the world for mid range acoustics, period. The amp costs around $2,500... the quality is out of this world, the sounds it makes I can't even describe... now if you tried to make the very same amp, same quality control elsewhere, it will cost much more. My point here is well, I don't know what my point is... all I am saying is that you can make a much better product in China than anywhere else, as long as it's not a slave labor, boot camp type operation... simply because it is much cheaper to do things over there.

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Sounds like you just wanted to brag about yours brothers AMP, which by the way is a total waste of money. I used to be into audiophile type amps, and let me tell you. you can't tell the difference from one amp to the next. We even tested that high end equipment in the electronics lab at my university and the cheaper shite came out on top. LOL.. Take the $2500 and buy a kick ass RC or donate it to some homeless kids


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07.26.2009, 03:44 AM

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Sounds like you just wanted to brag about yours brothers AMP, which by the way is a total waste of money. I used to be into audiophile type amps, and let me tell you. you can't tell the difference from one amp to the next. We even tested that high end equipment in the electronics lab at my university and the cheaper shite came out on top. LOL.. Take the $2500 and buy a kick ass RC or donate it to some homeless kids
Well you need a certain amount of brain cells to tell the difference, I am not sure, but I don't think that many.

I am not talking about your average supposedly 'hi-fi' amplifier here. Don't even bother arguing about it.


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Sounds like you just wanted to brag about yours brothers AMP, which by the way is a total waste of money. I used to be into audiophile type amps, and let me tell you. you can't tell the difference from one amp to the next. We even tested that high end equipment in the electronics lab at my university and the cheaper shite came out on top. LOL.. Take the $2500 and buy a kick ass RC or donate it to some homeless kids
I can hear the difference between 2 amps running the same speakers with the same source material and head unit... I do have an above average IQ, but I doubt that is helping me out much in the listening department...

Nothing against lab equipment, but the human ear is much more sensitive than the best equipment you can find. Plus it can interpret many more variables at the same time than lab equipment. Tube amps sound warmer, different crossover setting impart a different sound and feel. Various digital to analog converters will produce different sounds. I did high end car audio when I was younger and there is a big difference.

And yes, shit can be built cheaper in china than anywhere else... Why do you think most things have made in china stamped on them...
   
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I can hear the difference between 2 amps running the same speakers with the same source material and head unit... I do have an above average IQ, but I doubt that is helping me out much in the listening department....

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07.27.2009, 11:33 AM

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I can hear the difference between 2 amps running the same speakers with the same source material and head unit... I do have an above average IQ, but I doubt that is helping me out much in the listening department...

Nothing against lab equipment, but the human ear is much more sensitive than the best equipment you can find. Plus it can interpret many more variables at the same time than lab equipment. Tube amps sound warmer, different crossover setting impart a different sound and feel. Various digital to analog converters will produce different sounds. I did high end car audio when I was younger and there is a big difference.

And yes, shit can be built cheaper in china than anywhere else... Why do you think most things have made in china stamped on them...


Oh I didn't even notice your post Linc. You are right, the human brain actually is what is doing the listening... and yes, you can hear differences that a techy in a lab says you are full of shit. There are some things that test equipment is pointless to be used on, and hi-fi audio is naturally one of those things. Not trying to be a braggart, but I can tell the difference between O.F. copper interconnects and silver interconnects, as well as the difference between two different rectifier tubes on the phono-stage preamp. It has a lot to do with the system being very natural, open, and almost free of influence/dampening. This is on a new gen. turn table might I add, which up until 3 years ago, I thought was an inferior medium to store music on.... quite the contrary.


Metallover, you need to have a graph that has notes about each brand's pack, such as FP and Hyperion have much higher cycle life than other brands, and FP, Neu, Hyp can be charged at 5C rates, etc...


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