Electric Cars: The reality

[redshift]

Truly unbelievable, but true.

http://www.autoblog.com/2009/06/02/r...-equal-that-o/

But remember guys, it is YOU who is killing the planet.....

[rschoi_75]

Originally Posted by redshift

Not to be a richard...

Hey hey hey.... I resent that comment...

On a serious note, this was a very interesting read. It will be exciting to see what vehicles will be like 10-20 years from now if funding for alternative fuel research keeps increasing.

Also, its nice to know that there are still people in the US who can disagree yet still be civil and constructive. Especially with everything that's going on in politics now days.

[JThiessen]

Originally Posted by TexasSP

That's the truth. I grew up with my dad having a cattle ranch as a side business of sorts. About 200-250 head usually. Being both in the city and country and different times growing up, I got doses of both sides. Early in my adult life I was a butcher for four years, it always amazed me how truly clueless people were about where their food came from. My favorite is how many people would complain about the "red water" in the meat packages and how they did not want it there. When I explained it was blood they would then proceed to ask me why we put it there. Or the old man that would always accuse us of covering up the "brown" ground beef with "red" ground beef. I and others tried to explain the oxygenation process of meat and blood turning red but it failed to make a dent.

Dang - you Texans do everything bigger don't ya....250 head as a side business?!?!? Our ranch runs 180 head on about 6000 acres (due to the regrowth speed of the grasses, we have to rotate pastures every year), but they also do corn/wheat/barley/etc.

How about the pakers that paint the meat with the red dye to make it more attractive to buyers....Fred Meyer (Kroeger) does this - even with the certifed angus they sell.

Originally Posted by zeropointbug

Let's also not forget about our other problems, such as.... did you guys know that the mere 15 largest container ships spew out as much emissions as ALL the worlds car fleet... that's almost unbelievable.

What's your source on this? A couple weeks ago, you stated that it cruise ships.....
My take on it, if it is in fact true - you need to also realize the efficiency of that emission. Take the ship away, now how do we transport those goods? 10 747 flights? 100 smaller ships? Freight trains have the same power generation system - just on a smaller scale, but to replace those would be a 100 fold increase in semi trucks.

Does anyone know the FACT's about where hydrogen research is now? Have a link to a decent resource on it?

[redshift]

Originally Posted by JThiessen

What's your source on this? A couple weeks ago, you stated that it cruise ships.....

No, he in fact said container ships, from your thread on GW: "Another tid bit, did you know that the top 15 largest container ships in the world right now put out more emissions than ALL the world vehicles. That's insane"

And I provided the link, post #34.

But yeah, we didn't even consider cruise ships did we?

Sorry if this thread has taken an unwanted turn, but the title is "Electric Cars: the reality", not "Electric Cars: duckies, bunnies and worn out fairy tales".

As plainly as I can put it, if you want unorthodox answers, stop looking for orthodox explanations.

We can make this happen, but the vaunted "conventional wisdom" needs to take a flying leap.

[JThiessen]

Redshift - Sorry, I must have missed that link - in fact I went back and looked just now, and it only has 27 posts in it, and no linky from you.

So I just did a search for the data on that, and found the EPA report on it. http://www.epa.gov/oig/reports/2009/...-09-P-0125.pdf Nowhere does it say that only 15 ships account for that much pollution.

EPA estimated that in 2001, ocean-going ships emitted:
• more than 54,000 tons of fine particulate matter, which is equivalent to the
pollution from 117 coal-fired power plants,
• approximately 745,000 tons of smog-forming NOx pollution—comparable to the NOx emissions from over 800 million of today’s new cars, and
• about 450,000 tons of SO2, which is more than 40% of the total SO2 from the mobile source sector.1

And further in:

In 2007, Category 3 marine engines (large oceangoing vessel engines)14 emitted more than half of the mobile source SOx inventory for the entire United States (almost 530,000 tons).

NOTICE: thats ALL Cat 3 (large ocean going size) marine engines, not just 15, only emitted half the total for the US.
There are three main categories of emissions, NOx, SO2, and one other, but only the SOx was more than 50%.


Did anyone see the Monster Garage episode where they powered a drag car using about 400 Milwaulkee Battery Packs? I only got to see the last 20 minutes of it - but after the robot guy got the speed control tuned it turned the 1/4 mile right at 100mph - somewhere in the 14's if I remember correctly.