going to buy a rifle---advice?

[shaunjohnson]

advice?
dont!
guns suck

[Bondonutz]

Originally Posted by shaunjohnson

advice?
dont!
guns suck

So you gonna scare away the burgler by making spooky sounds ?
Chambering a round does a much better job.

[E-Revonut]

Originally Posted by Bondonutz

So you gonna scare away the burgler by making spooky sounds ?
Chambering a round does a much better job.

Thank you! For home defense I think nothing will ever match the power of racking a shell (or not) in a Remington 870 12ga pump! The ruger 10/22 is a great plinking/target rifle with a great aftermarket support. A .223 will easily take care of coyotes and mt lions as well as most any other animal with a properly placed shot. Personally though I would skip the assault rifle type and go for an actual hunting rifle with a good scope. I have a bolt action Savage in .223 that shoots incredible groups well past 100yards.

[Unsullied_Spy]

Originally Posted by E-Revonut

Thank you! For home defense I think nothing will ever match the power of racking a shell (or not) in a Remington 870 12ga pump! The ruger 10/22 is a great plinking/target rifle with a great aftermarket support. A .223 will easily take care of coyotes and mt lions as well as most any other animal with a properly placed shot. Personally though I would skip the assault rifle type and go for an actual hunting rifle with a good scope. I have a bolt action Savage in .223 that shoots incredible groups well past 100yards.

I love the 870 (I have an Express Super Mag) but the action is too smooth and refined. Chambering a round with the 870 is like politely saying "Excuse me sir, would you mind leaving my home?" whereas a Maverick 88/Mossberg 500 is more like a "GET THE $%^& OUT!" I agree with JT, a shotgun is the best for home defense because it's easier to hit and minimal collateral damage due to over-penetration. 2 3/4 00 buckshot is perfect for personal defense, imagine getting hit by nearly a dozen .38 special or 9mm rounds at once and that's basically what that shell is (my 3.5" 00 buck shells hold 18 ). If you are not prepared to use it and accept the consequences, don't use it for defense. There have been cases where the person was too afraid of taking a life and the burglar was able to take the weapon from the home owner and used it on them, if you aren't going to pull the trigger don't use it for defense.

A hunting rifle is a great way of taking something down, but that all depends on the range. Since he is a first time gun owner it would be better to learn to shoot on a bolt action (preferably singe shot) because you learn to make your shots count better, with a semi-automatic and a 30 round magazine if you miss you get in the mindset that you can just shoot again. I have a Remington 700 .243 with a 3-9x scope that is very efficient at taking down animals (good for hunting because it is powerful enough to drop the animal but doesn't blow a huge hole in them and waste anything). The action on the 700s is very good and it has been very reliable. I got it out of pawn shop for about $300 so much cheaper than an AR.

Gotta love gun threads, all the foreigners like to come in and act all self-righteous and pretend they know everything. It is a part of our history and culture and will continue to be as long as we value our freedom and safety, get over it!

[Riko]

Originally Posted by Unsullied_Spy

Gotta love gun threads, all the foreigners like to come in and act all self-righteous and pretend they know everything. It is a part of our history and culture and will continue to be as long as we value our freedom and safety, get over it!

woow, hold your horses cowboy :) I suppose you are refering to me with "all" foreigners?..(since I am the only non-American who posted in this thread)
But if you would read my post carefully, I was not judging, let alone be "self-righteous"
I actually was trying to understand it. I even thought it had to be something historical that is now part of the "American culture" if it is so deeply rooted.

So who am I to be self-righteous and tell a big nation like the USA what to do, right? :)

Originally Posted by Unsullied_Spy

If you are not prepared to use it and accept the consequences, don't use it for defense. There have been cases where the person was too afraid of taking a life and the burglar was able to take the weapon from the home owner and used it on them, if you aren't going to pull the trigger don't use it for defense.

ow, maybe a wiser option: having no fire arm in the house in the first place = no risk at all of anybody getting shot...

[Unsullied_Spy]

Originally Posted by Riko

woow, hold your horses cowboy :) I suppose you are refering to me with "all" foreigners?..
But if you would read my post carefully, I was not judging, let alone be "self-righteous"
I actually was trying to understand it. I even thought it had to be something historical that is now part of the "American culture" if it is so deeply rooted.

So who am I to be self-righteous and tell a big nation like the USA what to do, right? :)




ow, maybe a wiser option: having no fire arm in the house in the first place = no risk at all of anybody getting shot...

That wasn't directed at you, but I never understood why people have to troll threads like this. It is part of our culture, it is how we became a nation and it is how we will stay who we are.

If you think that's a wiser option, you should open your eyes....

[shaunjohnson]

i dunno bondonuts....sheep are pretty heavy!!
i'm pretty isolated down in tasmania and all our crims are soft we had like 1 murder in 10 years and everyone was like OMG!! and the case was looked into until last year when they found a rusty machete in my towns river.

Originally Posted by Riko

I suppose you are refering to me with "all" foreigners?..(since I am the only non-American who posted in this thread)

not quite...i'm Australian....and i started this argument with a 4 word post ....(sorry everyone!)
i kinda wanna move to America some day because of some of the unusual sports they have over there (big fan of hovercraft racing).
we got footy and cricket but that's it.

and you have to remember... us foreigners see is a patriotic country with very strong rights! that's prolly far from the truth for all i know.


LETS NOT TURN THIS INTO A FLAME WAR GUYS!!

we are better than that

[shaunjohnson]

Originally Posted by Bondonutz

So you gonna scare away the burgler by making spooky sounds ?
Chambering a round does a much better job.

well...not quite, some prick broke into our house and we all woke up and chased the bastard off with brooms and cricket bats and crap

"GET OUTA MY HOUSE!" was a spooky enough noise for him


still...i dont like guns. guns kill people and that's bad (even if they are bad people, life in prison is a worse punishment but costs more)

[E-Revonut]

Originally Posted by shaunjohnson

i dont like guns. guns kill people and that's bad (even if they are bad people, life in prison is a worse punishment but costs more)

Guns don't kill people.....People kill people, please keep the facts straight. People may use guns to kill people and careless people may kill themselves with guns but guns don't kill people, people kill people!

[_paralyzed_]

Originally Posted by shaunjohnson

still...i dont like guns. guns kill people and that's bad (even if they are bad people, life in prison is a worse punishment but costs more)

there was an eigth scale buggy race where a turn marshall took a buggy to the temple and died. I don't know what you should do now, r/c kills people

[shaunjohnson]

Originally Posted by E-Revonut

Guns don't kill people.....People kill people, please keep the facts straight. People may use guns to kill people and careless people may kill themselves with guns but guns don't kill people, people kill people!

true true...humans are bloody stupid creatures at times my dad believes that we do many things backwards.

yes but accidents happen (like someone pulling the trigger)

but guns are DESIGNED from the ground up for killing.

it just seems silly to me...buying a gun because you are afraid of a criminal...with a gun. go figure.
it's always a matter of who has the bigger stick.

[Bondonutz]

Originally Posted by shaunjohnson

it just seems silly to me...buying a gun because you are afraid of a criminal...with a gun. go figure.
it's always a matter of who has the bigger stick.

No direspect intended !

You'll think much differently when some worthless peice of shit breaks into your house and the prick holds a knife or gun to your wife and daughter (or decides to do something of a sexual nature) and all you have a criket bat ?