Windows 7

[squeeforever]

I'd agree with you on the whole Windows/Mac thing, but I think they both have there ups and downs. I can't STAND Mac computers. What VERY little I've used them, I don't like it at all. The performance though is amazing. Some of there desktops are just plain rediculous on the hardware aspect. Microsoft has its up, like compatibility with everything, unlike Mac, but all the virus's and shit with Microsoft that compromise its performance are a real PITA. On the flip side though, as far as phones go, Mac blows them out of the water. Windows mobile is complicated and BLOWS, and the iPhone OS is amazing and I would love to get a iPad. That would be a great alternative to a netbook.

[thzero]

Up, exactly what I said. And yes symlinks are great.

And on Brian's Up directory button point. The button is gone but if you click the folder name in the address bar you can go back a folder easily or two folders even easier. Took me a little bit to get used to as I was so used to the up button but now I'm used to it I think it is was better.

Mac hardware is the exact same thing as found in any PC. Except for the graphics hardware; that often lags behind or at least has in the past. But buying it from Apple means you pay more for exactly the same thing.

Latest MacBook Pro is still a Core2Duo, whee. Latest iMac does come with Core i5/i7s (it's a Core i7-930) and doesn't do Triple Rate memory. And it doesn't come with even the latest generation ATi or NVIDIA video cards. Now that being said, these specs also fall within *most* PC sellers pump out, but you can usually find them much cheaper. And you don't have to get a 27" monitor just to get a Core i5/i7! :) So no they are not "just plain ridiculous" on the technical specs.

iPhone, if you can stand Apple, was quite a breath of fresh air (at least starting at the 3G version). I know a ton of otherwise folks who aren't Mac users. Comparing it to Windows Mobile 6.X is a bit unfair as Windows Mobile existing long before iPhone came about. However saying that MS missed the boat and time spent on 6.5 should have better spent on the upcoming Windows Mobile that looks to compete head on with the iPhone/Pre/Android would be dead on.

The Maxipad isn't a netbook replacement; it is a slightly scaled up iPhone/iPodTouch. Period. Netbooks are not mobile phone OSes, rather they are PC level OSes on lower spec hardware but even that hardware is more capable than the hardware on the iPad. Not to mention they are more affordable. Here's a decent techspec breakdown comparison: http://eeepc.net/ipad-vs-netbooks-sp...spec-breakdown. Multitouch is about the only place iPad wins but one undeniable shortcoming of the iPad is (just like iPhone and iPodTouch) is NO FLASH SUPPORT. Hard to surf the web without running into a Flash something or other.

Anyways, this is really really really offtopic from the Windows 7 topic. :)

Originally Posted by squeeforever

I'd agree with you on the whole Windows/Mac thing, but I think they both have there ups and downs. I can't STAND Mac computers. What VERY little I've used them, I don't like it at all. The performance though is amazing. Some of there desktops are just plain rediculous on the hardware aspect. Microsoft has its up, like compatibility with everything, unlike Mac, but all the virus's and shit with Microsoft that compromise its performance are a real PITA. On the flip side though, as far as phones go, Mac blows them out of the water. Windows mobile is complicated and BLOWS, and the iPhone OS is amazing and I would love to get a iPad. That would be a great alternative to a netbook.

[squeeforever]

Originally Posted by thzero

Up, exactly what I said. And yes symlinks are great.



Mac hardware is the exact same thing as found in any PC. Except for the graphics hardware; that often lags behind or at least has in the past. But buying it from Apple means you pay more for exactly the same thing.

Latest MacBook Pro is still a Core2Duo, whee. Latest iMac does come with Core i5/i7s (it's a Core i7-930) and doesn't do Triple Rate memory. And it doesn't come with even the latest generation ATi or NVIDIA video cards. Now that being said, these specs also fall within *most* PC sellers pump out, but you can usually find them much cheaper. And you don't have to get a 27" monitor just to get a Core i5/i7! :) So no they are not "just plain ridiculous" on the technical specs.

iPhone, if you can stand Apple, was quite a breath of fresh air (at least starting at the 3G version). I know a ton of otherwise folks who aren't Mac users. Comparing it to Windows Mobile 6.X is a bit unfair as Windows Mobile existing long before iPhone came about. However saying that MS missed the boat and time spent on 6.5 should have better spent on the upcoming Windows Mobile that looks to compete head on with the iPhone/Pre/Android would be dead on.

The Maxipad isn't a netbook replacement; it is a slightly scaled up iPhone/iPodTouch. Period. Netbooks are not mobile phone OSes, rather they are PC level OSes on lower spec hardware but even that hardware is more capable than the hardware on the iPad. Not to mention they are more affordable. Here's a decent techspec breakdown comparison: http://eeepc.net/ipad-vs-netbooks-sp...spec-breakdown. Multitouch is about the only place iPad wins but one undeniable shortcoming of the iPad is (just like iPhone and iPodTouch) is NO FLASH SUPPORT. Hard to surf the web without running into a Flash something or other.

Anyways, this is really really really offtopic from the Windows 7 topic. :)

Don't see any Windows computers with 32gigs of ram and dual Quad core processors (yes, 8)...I wasn't referring to the Macbook or the iMac. I was more referring to the Mac Pro. But still, the iMac is nice since its a all in one. Only a couple Windows all in ones on the market.

As for the iPad, I know the difference between it and a netbook, but if I had a netbook it would be purely to use the internet, and I would prefer the iPad for that over the netbook. Yes, no flash, but I've learned to deal with that since I use the internet on my iTouch and iPhone so much. Eh, I guess its just personal preference.

[ClodMaxx]

Originally Posted by squeeforever

Don't see any Windows computers with 32gigs of ram and dual Quad core processors (yes, 8)...I wasn't referring to the Macbook or the iMac. I was more referring to the Mac Pro. But still, the iMac is nice since its a all in one. Only a couple Windows all in ones on the market.

exactly, squee. on top of that, i've had my 'outdated' dual 2 ghz powerPC G5 (yes, with a 23" HD screen - the only one on the consumer market - ever - that is/has been SWOP certified) for almost 6 years now and it runs as fast and well as the day i bought it. not only no viruses/spyware, but PC's are 'disposable' - they start to slow down over time (people probably aren't optimizing, but that's beside the point). because they're so cheap, you toss it and get the new latest PC bling. i mean, hyperthreading? really? i think that's just a made up word to make people think it's blazing fast compared to their last model. but - my mac is rock solid for what i need it for, and the programs are indeed slower on a PC (photoshop, illustrator, indesign, etc).

i've been a solid mac user for probably 20 years now, but in all honesty i did just break down and get a dual-core i3/4 gb RAM/500 gb hard drive PC laptop. it IS faster at things i can compare to my mac - but that's only browsing the internet really fast.

bottom line: macs are ridiculously more expensive, but on average, a mac user keeps their mac probably 2-3x longer than the average PC user.

[thzero]

Sure you do. Those are called workstations which the Mac Pro is part of the class. Trundle over to Dell and you can easily find multi-cpu (not multi-core) workstations that have up 192GB of RAM.

The point was that Apple gives you set product selection, charges you more (its not boatloads more mind you) and thats it. PC-land you have a broad spectrum of choices that just aren't there with Apple.

It comes down to if you want to pay more for the hardware and like the OS. Frankly I think Apple is doing it wrong and might actually increase their market share more if they would adjust the pricing of their Macs to the same ballpark as an equivalent Dell, HP, etc. Then it would just come down to whether people like the OSX or not.

Originally Posted by squeeforever

Don't see any Windows computers with 32gigs of ram and dual Quad core processors (yes, 8)...I wasn't referring to the Macbook or the iMac. I was more referring to the Mac Pro. But still, the iMac is nice since its a all in one. Only a couple Windows all in ones on the market. .

Hyperthreading isn't a made up word, and guess what, Macs based on the Core i5 and Core i7 have hyperthread CPUs just as do their PC counterparts. Here's what wiki has to say on it: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hyper-threading

But nonetheless, I bet if you did a suite of benchmarks on your PowerPC then did a complete fresh install of the OS you'd see a definite improvement. I won't dare predict how much or how little, but you will.

exactly, squee. on top of that, i've had my 'outdated' dual 2 ghz powerPC G5 (yes, with a 23" HD screen - the only one on the consumer market - ever - that is/has been SWOP certified) for almost 6 years now and it runs as fast and well as the day i bought it. not only no viruses/spyware, but PC's are 'disposable' - they start to slow down over time (people probably aren't optimizing, but that's beside the point). because they're so cheap, you toss it and get the new latest PC bling. i mean, hyperthreading? really? i think that's just a made up word to make people

Thats not even close to remotely true.

my mac is rock solid for what i need it for, and the programs are indeed slower on a PC (photoshop, illustrator, indesign, etc

[ClodMaxx]

Originally Posted by thzero

Hyperthreading isn't a made up word, and guess what, Macs based on the Core i5 and Core i7 have hyperthread CPUs just as do their PC counterparts. Here's what wiki has to say on it: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hyper-threading

i was joking.....

Originally Posted by thzero

But nonetheless, I bet if you did a suite of benchmarks on your PowerPC then did a complete fresh install of the OS you'd see a definite improvement. I won't dare predict how much or how little, but you will.

just did that last week (it's called preventative maintenance). some things are slightly faster, but overall performance is about the same. keep in mind that i'm no average surf-n-turf basic user. i push these things for a living (graphic design at an ad agency).

Originally Posted by thzero

Thats not even close to remotely true.

really? huh. there must be some other reason that 99% of the artist/commercial/graphic design community uses macs then. sure as hell isn't because they're cheaper....

[MTBikerTim]

Originally Posted by squeeforever

Don't see any Windows computers with 32gigs of ram and dual Quad core processors (yes, 8)...I wasn't referring to the Macbook or the iMac. I was more referring to the Mac Pro.

[squeeforever]

Originally Posted by MTBikerTim

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