Any of you upset over your healthcare law?

[redshift]

I have to know out of curiosity, ZP, PBO and anyone else not from the US, why the interest?

I consider myself among the more enquiring Americans, but I can assure you that 99.44% of us could give a vermin's derriere about what goes on outside our borders. Yes we are that ignorant.

So what is it that makes you guys not only care, but seem to take a passionate stance on things like this? I can't seem to wrap my American mind around that, I'll admit...

Thoughts?

[zeropointbug]

Originally Posted by redshift

I have to know out of curiosity, ZP, PBO and anyone else not from the US, why the interest?

I consider myself among the more enquiring Americans, but I can assure you that 99.44% of us could give a vermin's derriere about what goes on outside our borders. Yes we are that ignorant.

So what is it that makes you guys not only care, but seem to take a passionate stance on things like this? I can't seem to wrap my American mind around that, I'll admit...

Thoughts?

Must be because countries like Canada, half of the news is from the USA issues alone, so I guess we Canadians think the US is the bigger brother of us (albeit the brother that doesn't acknowledge us). We talk about the US just as much as Canadian politics up here, probably 50-50, after all, what affects you will affect us.

I probably know more about American history than Canadian history. Off the forum I am just a vocal about our own issues with our government (believe me, they are almost as bad)... I have beef with government in general, and on this forum, majority of you are Americans; if it were based in another country I could do the same to that government... they are simply all criminals (most), and all the countries that are striving for evolving human rights and freedoms like Iran, Venezuela, and others, are in the cross hairs of the NWO, are demonized, and outright lies are pinned on them using the mass media.

I don't know, what else do you want me to say?

Bondo, did I say something inappropriate?

[PBO]

Originally Posted by redshift

I have to know out of curiosity, ZP, PBO and anyone else not from the US, why the interest?

I consider myself among the more enquiring Americans, but I can assure you that 99.44% of us could give a vermin's derriere about what goes on outside our borders. Yes we are that ignorant.

So what is it that makes you guys not only care, but seem to take a passionate stance on things like this? I can't seem to wrap my American mind around that, I'll admit...

Thoughts?

It's hard to answer in a few words, funny you should put it that way though. I know you're speaking only for yourself but the 'ignorant American' is a widespread belief the world has when watching the US...not saying it's right or wrong mind you

I think it's fair to say that every country wants to get these basic issues right. Most don't! Healthcare in Australia is very good on a world standard but ask anyone who lives here & it sucks...when you dig deeper on an individual basis, it usually sucks because it's not perfect by their measure. They can tell you all about how this did or didn't happen to them, how the system could be improved to work better for them or their family. Most people do lack the high view on what the issues are, so the personal discontent gains a big, widespread & ineffective voice...I digress

My family have suffered & benefited equally under a poor health system, so by the law of averages I should be content but I'm not. I have expensive health insurance for my family that is largely a joke, the combined revenue from this was supposed to supplement the 'free' service but in my experience it puts you in front of expensive doctors, specialists, surgeons & services that you pay for. Sure you can claim back against your policies but there's always a shortfall. The issue that really smarts though is the same doctors, specialists, surgeons & services are all free if you're prepared to wait in the free system...as a result only the wealthy & very needy process their health needs through the insurance stream...the system is a con

[JThiessen]

Originally Posted by PBO

Healthcare in Australia is very good on a world standard but ask anyone who lives here & it sucks...when you dig deeper on an individual basis, it usually sucks because it's not perfect by their measure. They can tell you all about how this did or didn't happen to them, how the system could be improved to work better for them or their family. Most people do lack the high view on what the issues are, so the personal discontent gains a big, widespread & ineffective voice...I digress

This is probably the most level headed view on any "system" that I've seen posted here. It probably describes any modern "western" civilization to a tee. Our issues over here are just more highly publicized because of our supposed leadership in the western world.

The elected boys aren't in a conspiracy to drag us all down, they are just responding to their constituents - which is typically highlighted by the biggest contributors to thier campaign fund. Sometimes what they pass has been good for me, but typically, and the more I make, the more I'm on the side of giving my income to those that either cant or wont work.

I liked the idea of us all quitting our jobs. Kinda brings a smile to my face to imagine the outcome of that. But reality is that there is never solidarity, 'cause people are more interested in protecting themselves as opposed to the overall good.


Finnster - thanks for that last post. Well stated.

[georgec]

Originally Posted by JThiessen

and the more I make, the more I'm on the side of giving my income to those that either cant or wont work.



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Would you like my mailing address, I will gladly take that unwanted income off your hands!

[PBO]

Originally Posted by JThiessen

This is probably the most level headed view on any "system" that I've seen posted here. It probably describes any modern "western" civilization to a tee. Our issues over here are just more highly publicized because of our supposed leadership in the western world.

The elected boys aren't in a conspiracy to drag us all down, they are just responding to their constituents - which is typically highlighted by the biggest contributors to thier campaign fund. Sometimes what they pass has been good for me, but typically, and the more I make, the more I'm on the side of giving my income to those that either cant or wont work.

I liked the idea of us all quitting our jobs. Kinda brings a smile to my face to imagine the outcome of that. But reality is that there is never solidarity, 'cause people are more interested in protecting themselves as opposed to the overall good.


Finnster - thanks for that last post. Well stated.

Thanks JThiessen, it may be because I've seen more of health services (through friends & family needs) than a lot of people?

Personally, I'd prefer the money I pay in HC insurance were tipped directly into the government run free system so that everyone received the benefit. Australia needs more hospital beds, nurses, doctors etc...happy to contribute to that

Mind you, I'd also pay the emergency services more. They're underpaid in my view & for the most part do an excellent job...making the job more financially attractive would typically widen the candidate pool giving a better net result for the end user

[zeropointbug]

In the end, the Obamacare Bill will be a financial disaster... just look at those numbers, in the weeks ahead, people will learn more and more about it, and find out that it will in fact cost alot more than even they are saying ($1 Trillion for the next 10 years). Plus all the time and money that is going to be spent on the States filing suit against it.... what a meltdown.


If you look at the big picture, we wouldn't need much of a healthcare system if we had a better 'Healthcare LIFESTYLE', meaning most of the patients are in the hospital because of the healthcare itself, the failing society, as in the food you eat, the toxins in the food and environment, pharmaceuticals, and the generally unhappy and fearful population (mind controls body). What I am saying it's an ineffective band-aid for a system that is the problem itself... military-industrial-complex anyone?

Good-Bye: Truth Has Fallen and Taken Liberty With It

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