New Arizona SB1070 Law

[BrianG]

It's funny to me to see very similar sentiments from just about anyone I talk to (even people with Hispanic descent), yet the media would have you think otherwise. I guess they are counting on the people who do not have minds of their own, and accept what they are told at face value.

Legal immigrants are fine; they have gone through the due process and made the effort to assimilate to us, not the other way around. Those are the people that are welcome. The illegals are just here for the free ride and are getting it. And until that gravy train comes to a stop, no amount of border patrol or so-called legislation is going to help.

I have a new idea: If you are pro-illegal immigrant, then how about if we stuff your house with them, you have to feed them, you have to clothe them, you have to educate them, you have to provide medical care, you have to learn their language and provide them with all documents and media in their language, you have to accept and support their culture, you are responsible for any illegal actions they may perform, and you have to provide them an income. All of this is to be provided from your income with no gov't assistance whatsoever.

[pinkpanda3310]

Originally Posted by BrianG

I have a new idea: If you are pro-illegal immigrant, then how about if we stuff your house with them, you have to feed them, you have to clothe them, you have to educate them, you have to provide medical care, you have to learn their language and provide them with all documents and media in their language, you have to accept and support their culture, you are responsible for any illegal actions they may perform, and you have to provide them an income. All of this is to be provided from your income with no gov't assistance whatsoever.

I'm sure pro-illegals would be up for that if they could just find that elusive tree the gov. apparently has. They live in a dream world

[zeropointbug]

One thing that can be said about the Californian economy and Mexicans, is that they are the economy, without them, the state would not have been what it is today... or what it USED to be before almost 2 years ago. They are willing to do the physical work where the common Caucasian won't. (Or perhaps they can't for money reasons?)

One thing I noticed before I moved away from the city is that the amount of Philippine workers were coming in and stealing our jobs, or rather, the employers were firing the local and get a boat load of cheap workers, what a load of shit. When I first moved to the city I got a job working for a trailer manufacturing outfit for oil sands in Alberta, anyways they hired 3 locals, I was one, we worked our asses of for 2 weeks and then for no reason fired us, saying we are not going to 'work out' here. We were the only locals working there if you can believe it, the rest were Philippine and Mexican Visa workers. Then we found out they we hiring more foreigners in a mixture of 30 Philippine and Mexican workers for 1 year work Visa's. I was infuriated about that for the longest time. I know we worked our butts off and did quality work, not good enough.... not good enough for the bottom line is what it was! They paid them 30% less than what we got paid.

Anyways, I hope more states follow suit with Arizona on this, as well as the Healthcare Bill crap. I am Canadian, but I know it's only a matter of time that it affects us.

[zeropointbug]

What happened to the government serving us, not the other way around. If you got rid of the Feds, any given country would be far better off, and would be able to flourish, with no artificial economy either.

[lutach]

Here's another thing I noticed a lot. Every time I go to the Super Market, I don't see the Latinos with Food Stamps. They pay for the things they buy with Cash. I do see more and more Americans using it though (Blacks and Whites). Sorry to bring races to this, but I'm not racial since I'm a mixture of Native Brasilian Indians, African and Portuguese and my daughter is half Brasilian/half Black. So the thing with Food Stamps and Medicare/Medicaid might not be accurate. From what I know one has to provide their income to get such benefits, so I don't know how a person who can't show their income can receive the above mentioned. It would be nice to see what would happen if all the Illegal Immigrants went back. I know many Brasilians are going back to Brasil (Illegal or not). Basically they are finding harder to live here in the USA and Brasil needs people who knows how to speak English.

One other thing I forgot to mention. I also think a primary language should be used always. Example: USA's primary language is English so every thing should be in English. Brasil's primary language is Portuguese so every thing should be in Portuguese. That should slow down or stop Illegal Immigrants from going to a country. The ID thing is nice. Get pulled over and one doesn't have the proper ID, they should require their country's embassy to pay for the person to go back to their country.

[PBO]

Originally Posted by zeropointbug

One thing that can be said about the Californian economy and Mexicans, is that they are the economy, without them, the state would not have been what it is today...

Good point & one I was going to raise also

The US economy does to an extent survive on minimum wage earners, without the low min wage the cost of goods & services would rise proportionate to the min wage. Middle America's standard of living would erode very quickly if it were raised significantly

It's a catch 22 for the US economy, a situation that appears to encourage illegals to enter because they are almost guaranteed a job that will allow them to fly under the radar

[zeropointbug]

Well I don't know about food cost rising as much as a guy would first think, because as most food processors know, the cost of food is not from the cost of labor of say picking fruits and veggies, but in transportation, packaging, more transportation, processed, transported again to the super market, etc. For any food product that is procesed a bit and packed/bottled, the actual price of the food is a fraction of the end products price. We are literally eating oil. That is why I have a 100 mile diet, well majority of my food, comes from well within 100 miles from where I live, mostly within 15 miles, especially in summer. Did you guys know that 100 years ago there was roughly 1 calorie of energy to get 10 calories from our food? TODAY, that figure has reversed, to 10 calories in, 1 calorie out, where is it coming from? Oil. That's a 100 folder increase in entropy.

Rabosi, exactly, in the end I think it is costing our countries MORE hiring abroad than to hire locals. For sure.