Freeze's Savage Flux "Frostbyte II" build thread

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Originally Posted by Freezebyte

I dunno wether its because of the XL chassis, wide axles, stock wheels or the white springs, but I had a helluva time keep that thing under control at high speed in the dirt. It kept wanting to fishtail everytime I tried to correct the steering and then it would just over correct and flip on its side like a retarded turtle.

It's a monster truck, it is going to roll, etc. Standard Flux does the same thing; I have had fun with my buddies Flux (standard OOB RTR version) and may it rolls, leans, falls over, etc. all the time especially in comparison to my RC8Te. Tons of fun though!!

If you have fishtail issues, you should read the Triple Diff Basics; the tranny is just considered a locked center diff and see if that helps.

Originally Posted by Freezebyte

It was nearly impossible to do a wheelie of any kind, which I do enjoy doing off and on. I knew the XL frame was gonna cut that down but now its nearly impossible to do.

Can't imagine why. Are you sure your slipper clutch isn't slipping too much? You have enough punch control for instant application of power? Yes, the XL is about 2.5" longer, so physics does say it'll be a bit harder to do so. However, I can do wheelies with my RC8Te (running 5S, CC2200Kv) which is like ~.5" shorter than the XL, and it has a center diff which makes wheelies a bit more difficult as the power goes to the unloaded from wheels. I'd double check all your settings.

Originally Posted by Freezebyte

I also think the longer frame is preventing me from be able to adjust my trucks flight pattern when I take a jump.

Maybe. Perhaps it is just a case of getting used to it. After all most truggies are about the same wheelbase and racers don't seem to have an issue with it.

As for the tires I really like Badlands. But I do want to try the new Trenchers; they look like they are going to have some good grip.

Originally Posted by Freezebyte

Either i've got my setup wrong or I had the wrong idea with what to experience driving an XL Flux vs the standard. I remember my first Flux actually being more agile and quicker to respond to steering and throttle input.

Shorter wheelbase is generally a bit more agile. Wider should be a bit more stable, but it can also can effect handling characteristics. Every adjustment you make on any vehicle (racing of any short hammers this home, whether it be rc, 1:1, virtual, etc) is always a trade off.

Could be you are using too much throttle when turning? I know when comparing my driving style and my buddy's with his Flux, I tended to roll less and turned sharper because I wasn't always hammering the throttle as much and reduced speed when entering a turn.

Or perhaps your memory is off... :)

Originally Posted by Freezebyte

I"ve also had worries from day one with the Xl axles, that im making the truck less "bashable" as a result of the larger angle on the suspension arms which thus will put alot more pressure on parts in the event of the crash.

You worry too much. Just go out and bash the dumb thing and if it breaks, fix it! Thats a core concept, and enjoyment, of just bashing! Granted you don't want something to break first time you do something stupid, but nonetheless when bashing something will always break.

I will say based on experience with my Savage X Baja 5B conversion, you are more likely to break an axle (where the axle meets with the nut threads is the weakests point I've found) than you will a suspension arm.

And it's "INSIGHT".

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XL chassis really shouldn't handle worse than the stock. You might need to play with different suspension settings, diff fluids, camber, tires etc to tweak the handling to your liking. I'd suggest playing with shock spacers and springs first as thats the easiest. For example, if you watch my truck you can see its way too hard and on loose surface it makes it rather hard to control.

Wheelies, shouldn't be a prob. No probs with my build and that has a slipperential. Either not getting enough traction or slipper too loose, something like that.

The stock tires are rather crap, especially on loose surface. I just wish there was something in that size that had decent grip but didn't weigh too much. Not sure if i will stick with them on my build yet.

So far my truck seems to be a bit more ..graceful? in the air. I've only done a little jumping so far. Doesn't seem to get itself bent out of shape as easy and corrections can be made nps but maybe not quite as sharp as a stock length truck.

An alternative to XL axles would be to simply use offset wheels.

My truck still seems quite agile to drive. I know it's not the standard XL build but there should be some similarities. Best of luck getting your handling sorted, just dive in, change stuff and find out what works.

What were your shock settings in that vid dv?