Freeze's Savage Flux "Frostbyte II" build thread - Page 10 - RC-Monster Forums

Bondonutz · 09.02.2010, 02:03 PM

NOT argueing but I dissagree, on the extended axles the pin is out further from the protection and support of the bearing. It'll have a chance of flexing more. That POS alum collar is useless.

I have ben able to make LST2 axles work in my Lightning Stadium Pro2, when I have time I'll bet I can make them work in the Savy also.

Finnster · 02:24 PM

You may want to look into getting fixed rear hubs, like integy makes. Then you will not have any possible camber issues in the rear making it less stable in the back. Even with my setup board, it was always had to get the rear perfectly aligned as there is quite a bit of slop in the stock setup. The ballends are soft and tend to bend and stretch easy, making the whole rear sloppy.

The longer length should make the truck easier to control in the air, and less sensitive to thr input. EG. my crt.5 is very short WB, corrects very quickly in the air, but v easy to overcorrect or get thrown off balance. Much more difficult to control the car.

If you have more power or heavier tires, you will get more responsiveness to thr corrections in the air. Can be a matter of thr control off the jumps as well.

Personally I have not had any probs w/ the ext axles in my XL. I have 40 series offset wheels as well. My bearings are still the orig bearings that came on the truck and roll smoothly after 2+ yrs of use and good care. I would not trade off the stability and looks you get from the wide stance for any small increase in durability or turning radius.
As mentioned, the threaded portion seems the most common breakage, and is still there on the narrow axles. Its not the way I would have designed the truck, much prefer a wider arm and a trug style axle, but it is what it is.

I would say stick with it for a while and work on the setup and technique before you rip the whole thing apart. I never liked the tire choice tho. Most OEM tires are crap anyway. I would always recc some Proline tire instead.

thzero · 09.02.2010, 03:03 PM

Yeah definetly that "collar" is worthless.

I'll have to go look at the LST2 axles then and see what they are doing. Only issue is 24mm hub adapters (for me at least :)

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Originally Posted by Bondonutz

NOT argueing but I dissagree, on the extended axles the pin is out further from the protection and support of the bearing. It'll have a chance of flexing more. That POS alum collar is useless.

I have ben able to make LST2 axles work in my Lightning Stadium Pro2, when I have time I'll bet I can make them work in the Savy also.

thzero · 09.02.2010, 03:05 PM

Speaking of... I remember seeing someone end up tossing on some suspension arms onto a Savage from a Mugen truggy I think.

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As mentioned, the threaded portion seems the most common breakage, and is still there on the narrow axles. Its not the way I would have designed the truck, much prefer a wider arm and a trug style axle, but it is what it is.

Bondonutz · 09.02.2010, 03:20 PM

Take some aluminumm tape around 23mm hubs and viola' 24mm hub ?
A bunch of guys have doen it with success.

thzero · 09.02.2010, 03:53 PM

Nope, it doesn't work. The ProLine 23mm are crap, at least the ones for the Savage are, because how they are designed. I've blown through at least 3 of them... I have pictures of the results in my 5T thread.

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Take some aluminumm tape around 23mm hubs and viola' 24mm hub ?
A bunch of guys have doen it with success.

bruce750i · 09.02.2010, 03:55 PM

You can also change your lipo location a little more to the rear of the boxes or all the way back. The forward CoG hurts wheelies and air corrections.

Finnster · 09.02.2010, 04:18 PM

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Speaking of... I remember seeing someone end up tossing on some suspension arms onto a Savage from a Mugen truggy I think.

Really? That would be sweet to have real wide arms and good axles.

I have some FLM alu bulks. It would be cool if they designed some that enables use of other types of arms. Wouldn't be that hard to change the milling pattern even for the lower arms even, as long as you can find a pair that are in alignment with the upper arm mounting area.
hmmmm....

04:27 PM

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As for tires I know it has been beaten dead, but Badlands are the best. They perform very well, even in places that you would not expect, such as a groomed track. They may not be of the aesthetic nature you like but they work.

Badlands are nice, but I like driving on concrete and badlands don't last long that way

thzero · 09.02.2010, 04:37 PM

Truggified Savage or http://s550.photobucket.com/albums/ii427/badasssavage/

He's using Jammin X2 suspension pieces.

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Really? That would be sweet to have real wide arms and good axles.

Finnster · 05:19 PM

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Truggified Savage or http://s550.photobucket.com/albums/ii427/badasssavage/

He's using Jammin X2 suspension pieces.

Cool thanks. I'll have to read thru. I had to go look at a pic of teh FLM bulkhead, and its a bit diff than I remembered. Have to see how he mounts the arms

I was looking around in the meantime, and most truggy r arms are flat. Seems like an easy way to replace arms and use truggy axles, provided you figured out how to put steering hubs in.

Kershaw even makes thier own ext Sav arms. Way too $$$, but basically they cut longer arms out of nylon plate. :o

thzero · 09.02.2010, 05:21 PM

Yeah, they look like crap and I can't imagine they are all that great. FLM has some extended arms, but they are aluminum, ugh. If they would offer them machined out of some delrin or something that'd be cool.

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Kershaw even makes thier own ext Sav arms. Way too $$$, but basically they cut longer arms out of nylon plate. :o

09.02.2010, 06:08 PM

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I gotta say Freeze that truck is pretty stellar looking. I am sad to hear that it is not performing to your likings. I imagine that will take some tweaking. Even when I put a new truck together I still have to do some tweaking after the first few runs to get it dialed in. This is just the way it is.

Yeah, your probably right, i've just been spending so much time AND money on building and moding this thing, I haven't been able to enjoy itfor whats its intended for. Fall is almost here in my area and soon it will be too cold to go drive at all. I hate it when time goes so fast.....

And look down where?

reno911 · 09.02.2010, 06:15 PM

Too cold! never. Waterproof that MMM and get your ass out in that snow. I know I will. I love it, and you never have to worry about the temp of anything.

09.02.2010, 07:14 PM

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Too cold! never. Waterproof that MMM and get your ass out in that snow. I know I will. I love it, and you never have to worry about the temp of anything.

Uh yeah the prob is that lipo's don't like cold weather. And no way in hell im taking a chance with $400 worth of non waterproof electronics.