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10.21.2010, 09:40 PM

I think the pede 4x4 is killer, would buy one tomorrow if the lhs had it.

Not too fond of the vxl stuff, but I bet on 3s lipo geared way down to 45mph or so it will do just fine. Never had any issues with higher rpm cheaper bl setups geared down. I ran a crap load of feigaos before medusa came out and they all did well for me. Would like to see a 15l sized motor in there on 5s lipo with a mmpro or something like that esc. Way too much power!!!

As far as traxxas making crap... I have owned just about every platform traxxas has made, and their stuff is well engineered and easy to work on (save for the jato tranny).

I will say some other platforms (cough lst couch) may be better than traxxas' MT offerings, but they are still good. If you keep an emaxx light and run stock sized wheels/tires on it they are quite durable, add some rpm parts and they are much better. Same thing with the revo, they are 10th sized trucks, leave them that way and they do well, if you want bigger go up to a converted lst or cen monster.

As far as rtr goes, traxxas blows everyone else out of the water, in price and specs. Maybe losi gets close, but most of their stuff is badge engineered (worse than traxxas) and I never cared for their fragile race vehicles.

Traxxas makes good entry level stuff. At least their E-MT trannies stay together under power (cough flux cough)...
   
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Traxxas makes good entry level stuff. At least their E-MT trannies stay together under power (cough flux cough)...

With the improvements/changes to the Flux tranny, I don't find that argument valid anymore. Bulletproof diffs + HD drive gear = almost invincible drivetrain. The again, 6s lipo is more then enough to trash any drive train if you drive like an uncaring moron.

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With the improvements/changes to the Flux tranny, I don't find that argument valid anymore. Bulletproof diffs + HD drive gear = almost invincible drivetrain. The again, 6s lipo is more then enough to trash any drive train if you drive like an uncaring moron.
Experience talking here- most decent 1/8 buggy/truggy platforms can easily handle 6s.

And if you want a MT to run 6s wide open, lst or the big cen trucks do just fine.

Tire/wheel choice have more to do with drivetrain wear than overall power...

And just a little tip. Some lucas/stp oil stabilizer in your flux steel geared tranny will make it last alot longer. A teaspoon or so will do, just enough to cover the teeth of the bottom gear so when it spins it picks the oil up.

I have made old emaxx trannies survive under bl power. Knowing what you are doing goes a long way in this hobby, along with being relatively open minded! And rest can be found here at rcm, or from the monster himself!!!
   
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And have an oily mess being flung around my diff case? Screw that, my center gears are doing just fine
   
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And have an oily mess being flung around my diff case? Screw that, my center gears are doing just fine
So you dont have any oil at all in your diffs/tranny? Not even silicone oil? That's bad news...

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So you dont have any oil at all in your diffs/tranny? Not even silicone oil? That's bad news...
I'm talking about the center 50/50 power split tranny on the Flux, not the front and rear diffs.
   
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And just a little tip. Some lucas/stp oil stabilizer in your flux steel geared tranny will make it last alot longer. A teaspoon or so will do, just enough to cover the teeth of the bottom gear so when it spins it picks the oil up.
I might have to try this. Maybe use some RTV sealant on the tranny halves so it doesnt leak. I play with those Lucas oil dispays every time i go to the parts house, it seems to work pretty well.


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10.22.2010, 09:55 AM

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With the improvements/changes to the Flux tranny, I don't find that argument valid anymore. Bulletproof diffs + HD drive gear = almost invincible drivetrain. The again, 6s lipo is more then enough to trash any drive train if you drive like an uncaring moron.
I find the two manufactures tranny's to be relatively the same. Out of the box, not reliable for 6S. Now if you upgrade them with steel gears, then both will handle 6S well. I agree on the rest of the drive train - HPI does get the nod there.

As far as the Stampede, I challenge anyone to grab an equivelent 1/10 2WD MT and see how well it holds up to 40 mph bashing...the key there is 2WD MT - the RC10's compare more to the Rustler.

Some of you weren'' around prior to the Revo coming out - it was the most revolutionary MT ever. An engineering marvel in the world of RC. It also propelled the brushless push here - how many of us spent the better part of a year or so figuring out how to stick electric power in one...?

And how about the technology in the Summit....might not be up to high power brushless, but have you seen any other company design something that complex?

My only beef with Traxxas was the grandstanding leading up to product releases, and only find out they have done a rebadged this or that...

The world wide web has made it quite easy for a clerk at 7-11 to belittle an engineering staff while he is on his 10 minute state mandated break for hourly workers..


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I find the two manufactures tranny's to be relatively the same. Out of the box, not reliable for 6S.
I can't comment on the Flux tranny, some are very happy with it with upgraded gears in it. I know for a fact that the gears in the Traxxas BL E-Revo tranny don't need to be upgraded. I ran the E-Revo tranny on 6S in a 14 pound LST XXL all summer remember? The E-Revo tranny is very reliable on 6S. I will admit that it does need one inexpensive upgrade though, the Hot Racing double slipper. If you happen to have the newer model of tranny that comes with the aluminum slipper pads then you're all set, absolutely no upgrade needed for 6S.


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I ran the E-Revo tranny on 6S in a 14 pound LST XXL all summer remember? The E-Revo tranny is very reliable on 6S.
That's true. I wonder though what the outcome would have been if you hadn't blown your diffs all the time (may have been the same outcome....nobody knows for certain).


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That's true. I wonder though what the outcome would have been if you hadn't blown your diffs all the time (may have been the same outcome....nobody knows for certain).
Well the fact that the rear diff blew so often shows me that it might have been the weak link in the drive train. And that LST XXL diff with the HD cup is well known to be very strong and dependable. The E-Revo tranny always came out shinning with no visible signs of wear. We will surely find out how the outcome will be and if that tranny will still perform as well because the truck is on its way to nitrostarter as we speak. Maybe he will find if there was a problem that I over looked about the rear diff.


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Well the fact that the rear diff blew so often shows me that it might have been the weak link in the drive train. And that LST XXL diff with the HD cup is well known to be very strong and dependable. The E-Revo tranny always came out shinning with no visible signs of wear. We will surely find out how the outcome will be and if that tranny will still perform as well because the truck is on its way to nitrostarter as we speak. Maybe he will find if there was a problem that I over looked about the rear diff.
I have to agree, the revo tranny is amazing, especially for being plastic. Probably has something to do with the 1/2 inch wide contact pattern on all the gears.


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I think the pede 4x4 is killer, would buy one tomorrow if the lhs had it.

Not too fond of the vxl stuff, but I bet on 3s lipo geared way down to 45mph or so it will do just fine. Never had any issues with higher rpm cheaper bl setups geared down. I ran a crap load of feigaos before medusa came out and they all did well for me. Would like to see a 15l sized motor in there on 5s lipo with a mmpro or something like that esc. Way too much power!!!

As far as traxxas making crap... I have owned just about every platform traxxas has made, and their stuff is well engineered and easy to work on (save for the jato tranny).

I will say some other platforms (cough lst couch) may be better than traxxas' MT offerings, but they are still good. If you keep an emaxx light and run stock sized wheels/tires on it they are quite durable, add some rpm parts and they are much better. Same thing with the revo, they are 10th sized trucks, leave them that way and they do well, if you want bigger go up to a converted lst or cen monster.

As far as rtr goes, traxxas blows everyone else out of the water, in price and specs. Maybe losi gets close, but most of their stuff is badge engineered (worse than traxxas) and I never cared for their fragile race vehicles.

Traxxas makes good entry level stuff. At least their E-MT trannies stay together under power (cough flux cough)...
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Traxxas makes quality RC in my eyes. Every RC has it's downside. Even the extremely over engineered RC's aren't perfect. My local indoor track runs many different Short Coarse trucks. The more the Slash 4x4 wins on the track the more of them I see. The truck is very competitive out of the box, a few tweaks and your done. Nothing major needed to race it. For someone just joining the hobby that is a thing of beauty.
   
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