MaxAmps Race Edition Lipos

Originally Posted by suicideneil

Anyone got a pet tortoise or turtle?...

Quick two minute job. Note that the pic also displays their waterproof ability too.

[SPC Racing]

I've been following this thread since it started and finally decided to post. Does anyone remember 5 years or so ago when "they" advertised GP3300, Nimh as, "These cells do not have "matching stickers" on them but are matched by voltage .... 100% money back guarantee to be at least 1.18's on YOUR EQUIPMENT." Very little information on test parameters was mentioned, no voltage-termination cutoff points and no temperatures of any kind, plus the cells had no labels on them to verify they were in fact matched and when tested the cells were average at best, showing average voltages in the neighborhood of 1.165 to 1.175 Volts. As for being matched, well let’s just say they were not matched at all, at least not in a way that other battery companies within the RC industry were matching cells and packs at the time! There was actually info and data posted on URC at the time about this.
They were masters of illusion, not necessarily lying, but working the edge of industry accepted definitions. My point, forward to 2010 and ask what has changed regarding this advertising method other than the cell chemistry? Answer - Nothing.

[sikeston34m]

Aaah, the days of Nimh.

The test equipment showed Lies at work huh?

Well some things just never change do they?

Now adays, Maxamps has rebadged their 6500SS Lipos Series, put a different label on the 30C packs and created a whole new line of Lipos.

Introducing the NEW "True 150C" series.

About the only thing that HAS changed now is:

We make claims waaaay beyond the limitations of ANY test equipment. But they will show a 7C discharge graph to represent this "New" breakthrough technology!

Yuck! I just threw up a little.

[padrino]

In the end what is the motivation to change?

I ask that because they've sold and continue to sell piles of packs..

I see the name plastered in every magazine and for all of the in house tests I almost always see MaxAmps pointed out as the batteries used for the testing. Over and over again pubs like RC Car Action tout the new packs and the "amazing" capabilities they offer.

When using them for RC it is rare to even push the realistic limits of the packs so they continue to up the ante by pushing the ratings to the point where they are almost absurd yet there aren't any reputable pubs that stand up and validate their claims (or they simply don't have the gear to do it).

I am interested in pushing the packs to the advertised capabilities however I realize I'll just be another poster on this forum providing good information to those of us that already know the reality, in the end I don't think the expense and effort will provide real value to the greater market since the platform to push the information is limited.

Not sure if this has been posted but you may find this interesting. Here Just for reference brand P is maxamps if you can't work it out. I know this is not the 'true 150' batteries but maxamps doesn't change

Kieren

[sikeston34m]

Originally Posted by Aussie Nerd

Not sure if this has been posted but you may find this interesting. Here Just for reference brand P is maxamps if you can't work it out. I know this is not the 'true 150' batteries but maxamps doesn't change

Kieren

Isn't it amazing how they're 1100mah "50C" pack would NOT carry a 22 amp load? A "True" 20C 1100mah pack would carry a 22 amp load.

This is a pack that is supposedly "rated" to deliver 55 amps continously.

[Finnster]

Originally Posted by SPC Racing

I've been following this thread since it started and finally decided to post. Does anyone remember 5 years or so ago when "they" advertised GP3300, Nimh as, "These cells do not have "matching stickers" on them but are matched by voltage .... 100% money back guarantee to be at least 1.18's on YOUR EQUIPMENT." Very little information on test parameters was mentioned, no voltage-termination cutoff points and no temperatures of any kind, plus the cells had no labels on them to verify they were in fact matched and when tested the cells were average at best, showing average voltages in the neighborhood of 1.165 to 1.175 Volts. As for being matched, well let’s just say they were not matched at all, at least not in a way that other battery companies within the RC industry were matching cells and packs at the time! There was actually info and data posted on URC at the time about this.
They were masters of illusion, not necessarily lying, but working the edge of industry accepted definitions. My point, forward to 2010 and ask what has changed regarding this advertising method other than the cell chemistry? Answer - Nothing.

Yes, that's why I will never and have never bought their batts. I saw this when they were selling GP3300 packs on ebay way back when. They were selling 6 cell packs for ~$5 more than everyone else, and promised ridiculous cell voltage numbers on untested, unmatched and unproven cells.

Their guarantee was complete BS, as they knew no one would ever actually test the cells with proper equipment, but it sounded like a killer deal compared to the high end matched packs. They sold tons of them with this scam.

This is their business model. BS all the specs, hype the batts, target the suckers, overcharge to give illusion of quality, and cash in.

IMO, they are ebay scam artists made big. They would make Nigerian 419'ers proud. I don't get too involved in all these bashing threads (which they always become) as its rather pointless anymore. If you are foolish enough to pay for their overpriced, shabby little packs, you haven't been paying attn. Loads of people are, which says more about consumers than them at this point.
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[Finnster]

From the 2005 thread linked above. Same story as in 2010. BS, BS, BS until you get caught, then deflect and spin and put on happy faces. Notice Austin doesn't deny lying, merely justifies it as everyone is lying too. I'm sure if the thread went on long enough he'd publicly offer to exchange the packs and get congratulations of great CS.

Hi Guys. Austin here with MaxAmps.com

Just wanted to address this issue as I ran accross your thread.

If you cycle our cells at 6 amps for 4-6 cycles, I have yet to find one that doesn't come up to 1.18V or higher. As you know, even if it was a 1.17V pack, it would be a great value.

The fact is that if you took a "sticker matched" pack from another vendor and used your own equipment to match it you would find that 99% of the time you would get different numbers then what they have on the stickers.

Some vendors will dead short cells or cycle at very high amp draws so that they get really high numbers for 1-2 cycles, put a sticker on it and sell it. If I was a customer, I would prefer to get a fresh cell and get all use out of the good cycles up to 1.18 instead of getting a pack that is already beat to death so that it can put out only a couple of good cycles.

Bottom line is that there is no other vendor that guarantees at least a 1.18 on the customers equipment. Even if you pay $90.00 for a sticker matched pack they will not guarantee that you will get the same numbers on your equipment...

Best Regards,

Austin
www.MaxAmps.com

You are the only battery company I know of that claims to sell GP cells that are 100% 1.18+ volts. That in itself is unprecedented. For the record, even if your cells are at best just lower 1.17s (as cr250's test indicated) they are NOT a good deal! There are several matching companies out there that sell matched packs for nearly the same price as your unmatched ones. With all other things being equal, a matched pack is always superior to an unmatched one.

I find your other statements confusing; if a matcher cycles cells 3 to 4 times to get consistent performance label numbers, it's bad. You claim they've used up most of the good cycles and there are only a couple of good cycles left in them. If a customer buys MaxAmps batteries and cycles them 4 to 6 times in an effort to find their hidden 1.18+ potential, that's good. Who do you believe you are addressing with these ridiculous statements? Do you think we are a bunch of mindless, uneducated morons? Your statements are incredibly demeaning! Bottom line, a customer thoroughly tested one of your packs and it did not come close to 1.18 volts.