LST2 CVD on Savage?

[lincpimp]

Sure, will get some good ones after work.

Think I have cured our issues with cen parts, stay tuned.

[mothman]

Originally Posted by lincpimp

Think I have cured our issues with cen parts, stay tuned.

Issues with cen parts? can you please explain?

[lincpimp]

Originally Posted by mothman

Issues with cen parts? can you please explain?

Pretty sure we can have some stronger cvds, and wider arms if we go with cen parts. Specifically gst parts. I have ordered lower and upper arms, hubs and driveshafts (cvd type) to try on one of my savages.

I have seen this doen before, will have to scare up pics. The driveshafts are much thicker than the shd and lst2 types. And they use a truggy style hex adapter, with a crosspin that is held via a setscrew.

The Cen axles are 10 mm and drop down to 8mm where the hex adapters mount. Bearings are 10x17x7mm, much bigger and stronger than the 8x16 in the savage.

I will use the cen gst hubs and knuckes asd they are, and they must fit the savage arms, as the truck I saw had savage lower arms on the rear and cen lower arms on the front with the cen knuckles and hubs all around. Pretty sure the cen axles will only fit the larger bulletproof diff output cups.

I have seen it done but the pics are terrible, so I bought the parts (not very expensive it you shop around) and when they come in i will give it a try.

If this worksit will cure all kinds of savvy issues, namely: Stronger axles, with larger bearings, cvd style driveshafts, stronger lower arms (?) and possibly a wider stance. The last two are up in the air, but since these parts are under the gst they must be pretty good as that is a big heavy truck.

[Jahay]

If you believe and obviously seem to have tried and realised that the LST setup will not work which is a shame...

But that is promising about the CEN GST

Im a little confused...

The savage you saw had savage rear setup but a CEN GST Front setup...
Does this mean the arms and hubs come out the same distance? So we are not adding any extra width then? Otherwise the front would be wider than the rear?

I was looking at some CEN Parts... They look very robust and the hub/axle/shaft look extremely tough! Hopefully should increase stock savage steering throw as well without the worry of shafts popping out of the axle thanks to the cvds...

What also looks exciting, is as you said... the CEN Lower arms should fit onto a savage bulk hopefully without or with very little modding and shimming possibly???

I would definitely run some baja rims and just use a 1mm thick layer of alloy tape over the CEN GST 23mm hexs.

Please get some pics up...

[lincpimp]

Originally Posted by Jahay

If you believe and obviously seem to have tried and realised that the LST setup will not work which is a shame...

Please get some pics up...

Nope, the lst setup would not work unless you could find a longer lower arm that would fit all of the savage components.

Heres a pic that shows the lst lower arm next to the savage lower. Hinge pin sizes are identical, not that it helps...





Almost identical in length, the lst arm is about .5mm longer.

[lincpimp]

Originally Posted by Jahay

But that is promising about the CEN GST

Im a little confused...

The savage you saw had savage rear setup but a CEN GST Front setup...
Does this mean the arms and hubs come out the same distance? So we are not adding any extra width then? Otherwise the front would be wider than the rear?

I was looking at some CEN Parts... They look very robust and the hub/axle/shaft look extremely tough! Hopefully should increase stock savage steering throw as well without the worry of shafts popping out of the axle thanks to the cvds...

What also looks exciting, is as you said... the CEN Lower arms should fit onto a savage bulk hopefully without or with very little modding and shimming possibly???

I would definitely run some baja rims and just use a 1mm thick layer of alloy tape over the CEN GST 23mm hexs.

Please get some pics up...

I am not sure exactly how the arm lengths compare but they must be pretty close to the same length. The wheels on the truck with the cen arms on the front looked to line up pretty good with the savvy arms on the rear. He was using cen hubs all the way around, and I am not sure if that widens the truck any. However, since the axles are much more sturdy and the bearings are larger I can imagine that a full offset wheel (deep dish) would work just fine and add some width.

The arms look like they will fit either inside or outside the al hinge pin braces. I am betting they fit inside, look about the same as the savage where they mount. When the hubs come in I will be able to see eexactly how they fit.

[Jahay]

Fitting that LST Lower arm to the bulk would involve too much grinding away of the bulk mount... it would most probably make it a weak arm. So that def wont happen... Didnt realise the bulks of the LST were a little wider... THats a shame...

So only hope is that the CEN will work...

Did you say you already have the parts? or they are on order???

edit..
Just read your last post... please get some pics up when you have time! Sounds promising... maybe even a picture of the GST arm on the savage bulk?

[lincpimp]

And here are the pics of the attempted lst2 fit:

Stock hub carrier, note the raised portions around the hingepin holes:



And what i had to remove to make them fit the lower savage arms:



Another angle, before and after:





This pic shows the lst2 axle in the savvy hub. with the hex in the stock hole there is right at 4.5mm of gap:



Assembled with a savvy lower arm. I used some other items to get stuff level, and the bone end of the lst2 cvd is bottomed out in the diff output cup in this pic, note the distance from the top of the carrier to the upper arm, lower arm needs to be about 1/2" longer to get the carrier upright as it should be:





And here is a shot of the stock lst lower hingepin brace as compared to the savage one. See how much wider the pins are spaced on the lst. That coupled with the slightly narrower diff makes the lst2 cvds fit, even when the lst2 and savage lower arms are the same length:



And finally a pic of DrKnow65. He sent me this for some reason, wanted to trade? I do not understand, maybe someone else will?

[Jahay]

Those are some great pictures that clearly show the problems...

WHAT A REAL SHAME!!! THAT IS SO CLOSE TO WORKING!

i can not think of another simple way around this problem...


Hopefully more luck with the CEN parts can be had

[lincpimp]

Originally Posted by Jahay

Those are some great pictures that clearly show the problems...

WHAT A REAL SHAME!!! THAT IS SO CLOSE TO WORKING!

i can not think of another simple way around this problem...


Hopefully more luck with the CEN parts can be had

Well, finding a suitable arm to replace the savvy stock lower would be nice.

I shall start a thread, asking the rcm members to measure their arms (on their rc cars).

The cen stuff works, just not sure what I will have to do. I have a pm out to the guy with the truck I saw. Maybe he can help clear things up.

[Jahay]

I cant really think of any potential truggy arms that would be of any use either.
The LST arms, hubs and CVDs were the only ones on my mind... But hopefully the guy gets back to you with some news...

Thanks a lot bud! i having been dying to do something like this for a while now!

[_paralyzed_]

I know you guys are trying to do this on the cheap, but the FLM widearm kit for the savvy is very stout and the dogbones have the lifetime warranty. I have them on my savvy and like them.

[Jahay]

Originally Posted by _paralyzed_

I know you guys are trying to do this on the cheap, but the FLM widearm kit for the savvy is very stout and the dogbones have the lifetime warranty. I have them on my savvy and like them.

the whole point of this conversion was to use LST Hubs and CVDs and some sort of better hex system...

Firstly.. i have only heard gd things about the FLM Kit... and considering this savage im making isnt for mental jumps... i would probably consider it...

but i am against alloy arms for the obvious usual reasons...

BUT BUT BUT... maybe the extra half inch you get from the FLM Arms may actually allow the LST Hubs to work as the extended arms will give enough room for the CVDs???

What do you think linc??? obviously we wanted to do this on the cheap... but do you that would work?

[lincpimp]

Originally Posted by _paralyzed_

I know you guys are trying to do this on the cheap, but the FLM widearm kit for the savvy is very stout and the dogbones have the lifetime warranty. I have them on my savvy and like them.

If you like al arms I am sure it is the hot ticket, but I do not like al arms. Plus it is fun to figure stuff out.

Originally Posted by Jahay

the whole point of this conversion was to use LST Hubs and CVDs and some sort of better hex system...

Firstly.. i have only heard gd things about the FLM Kit... and considering this savage im making isnt for mental jumps... i would probably consider it...

but i am against alloy arms for the obvious usual reasons...

BUT BUT BUT... maybe the extra half inch you get from the FLM Arms may actually allow the LST Hubs to work as the extended arms will give enough room for the CVDs???

What do you think linc??? obviously we wanted to do this on the cheap... but do you that would work?

Yeah, the main benefit from doing this is to get a bigger stronger axle, preferably with bigger stronger wheel bearings. Addl width is not really a huge concern of mine, cause we will only end up with about 1/2" more per side when using the lst2 cvds. Not sure if the flm kit retains the same wheel attachement as the stock savage, but from what I have read the stock savage wheel attachment is undesirable as it breaks under stress.

[mothman]

Linc, thank you very much for the effort! I didnt expect you would go this far to try this method. You are the man!!
Definitely will wait for the updates on the cen parts!