American patriots

[JERRY2KONE]

A friend of mine sent this to me and I found it most interesting. What are your thoughts on the matter?

If you want to have a very clear understanding of the position of the leadership of our government is taking on illegal immigration, I urge you to watch and listen carefully to this video all the way to the end. Best I have heard or read on this subject.
The person in this video is a professor (Ph.D.) at Yavapai College in
Prescott, Arizona. He puts a different spin on what Obama is doing to help
Arizona and he repeats the important parts and speaks slowly enough to allow you to follow what he's saying;

Must be why he's rated highly by his students.
This may be the best video produced on the illegal alien problems that are
being experienced.


http://www.youtube.com/embed/tsH8xvjTAlo

[BrianG]

Oh believe me, I've known about this for a long time now and do whatever I can to tell and educate everyone I know. For this alone, the so-called president should be impeached immediately. To put citizens from another country over citizens of the country of which you are the supreme leader is ludicrous.

Here's a thread I started about this topic a while back: http://www.rc-monster.com/forum/showthread.php?t=26984

I truly believe that deportation is not needed at all. Just remove all incentives for them to be here; housing, school, medical, jobs, etc and they will have no choice to go elsewhere. You want into this country, do it the right way and you will be welcomed. And for those people who think they should be here to have a chance at a better life, even illegally, how about YOU provide a job, housing, medical, schooling, etc out of your own pocket and leave my tax money alone.

[lincpimp]

Yes, remove the incentives. Do the same for welfare, and the other parasitic programs we have. It will make the country better. Make people accountable for what they do. Seems so simple, but the socialists want sheep they can manipulate, and nothing does that better than handouts.

[JERRY2KONE]

I have to agree with you guys about this one. We work for the Department of State and you can bet your bottom dollar that every country we are posted in has laws about having some form of ID on you at all times. We even have to acquire local ID's through their immigration services so that we have some kind of ID that their police and other support services can read, because it is in their native writing. In fact while in Korea we had to acquire a Korean drivers lisence, a Korean immigrant ID card, and a Korean foreign diplomatic ID to show what country we were from. We also had to have a US Embassy ID card, a US Military base ID card, and a US Embassy Support services ID card, and a US ration ID card for shopping in the military Exchange and Commissary stores. And here we are violating the rights of the immigrants just by requiring them to carry an immigrant ID card. I have to say that this administration has done a lot of things that I am not too proud of and if the people want them to be held accountable then the people have to stand up and be heard. Otherwise things will just keep going south literally. I also have to say that this professors video is dammed hard to argue with. I for one would like to hear Obama's arguement against this stand.

[lincpimp]

Originally Posted by JERRY2KONE

I for one would like to hear Obama's arguement against this stand.

Here ya go:

"Ummm, uhhhhh, mmmmm, huhuh, urrrr, mmmum, etc"

Pretty much what he sounds like anytime he makes any sort of speech. I have to turn them off, all of that stammering just ticks me off. This guy is supposed to represent our country and he can barely get a sentence out right.

I often wonder where they find the presidential candidates? Do they hold trials to find the worst public speaker with the most irregular fetiches and strange behaviours? Seems like it. They either have one foot in the grave or are just plain weird. i guess the pay is not that good, and it only attacks a certain type of person.

[snellemin]

I'll put my 2 cents in about carrying the greencard on you along with your other id cards. The greencard is not even remotely close of getting easily replaced. If it was, then nearly nobody would have a problem carrying it with them at all times. Blame the slow goverment for this. In my younger years I use to be asked for my alien card during traffic stops in Florida. I always said that I don't carry it with me, as I had to use it to get my driver license. It took my parents more then 7 years to get the card for me, and do you really think I will walk around with the card and get it lost for whatever reason. NO. Current cost of a replacement green card is around 370 dollars when you apply for it by yourself. The other immigrants that don't really understand the english legal terms, hire a immigration laywer to help them fill in the paper work. That my friends is time and more money just for one card. You can end up with a 500 dollar bill just to replace a green card.

[JERRY2KONE]

Originally Posted by snellemin

I'll put my 2 cents in about carrying the greencard on you along with your other id cards. The greencard is not even remotely close of getting easily replaced. If it was, then nearly nobody would have a problem carrying it with them at all times. Blame the slow goverment for this. In my younger years I use to be asked for my alien card during traffic stops in Florida. I always said that I don't carry it with me, as I had to use it to get my driver license. It took my parents more then 7 years to get the card for me, and do you really think I will walk around with the card and get it lost for whatever reason. NO. Current cost of a replacement green card is around 370 dollars when you apply for it by yourself. The other immigrants that don't really understand the english legal terms, hire a immigration laywer to help them fill in the paper work. That my friends is time and more money just for one card. You can end up with a 500 dollar bill just to replace a green card.

That is just another excuse that can be fixed if enough people are onboard with the problem. If that is all that it takes to shut people up about carrying the dammed thing, then we can overcome that aspect of the immigration problem. Not once in all of the political arguements about requiring immigrants to carry this ID card have we heard that the cost of replacing a lost ID card was the issue. This arguement over the Federal laws that govern this immigrant ID card issue is simply another double talking excuse to keep the United States of America from exicuting and enforcing the illegal immigrant status problem.

Whats next can't carry my license because I might loose it. WTF is wrong with people and not having any GD common sense anymore. ID cards are made for what reason. TO ID YOURSELF TO OFFICIALS WHO REQUEST IT. This is why the ID card was invented and put into use in the first place. We all have to show some kind of proof of who we are to verify anything in regards to a legal status, period. ID cards like this one have to be all of the same type and hard to copy in order to make them legitimate. Otherwise everyone would have one made up at the local printing store and the program would be null & void. Any arguement against an ID card is a bunch of BS. Just like the rest of the immigration laws that are on the books in every other country around the world, if you do not want to abide by them then get the hell out, or go to jail. I might lose my ID card so I do not carry it. That is just plain rediculous.

I am not trying to pick on any one person here, but this really torques my britches. These laws are set up in every country around the globe in order to protect its people and its citizen services that the citizens have paid for in one form or another through Taxes, or some other form of payment. If you go to visit another country you have to have the proper paperwork filled out in advance and you have to pay for any kind of Visa or Immigration ID out of pocket. The people of that country do not pay it for you. Keeping that ID secure and not losing it is your responsibility. If you lose it you pay for it again. If it takes two weeks or two years then you go home until it is processed and you receive it. There are no shortcuts or loopholes for getting around these proceedure. We have been doing this for every country we have been assigned to for years. Our kids carry whatever is required by that country and we stress over and over and over again how important it is to not lose these ID's. Now 12, 14, & 15 none of them have lost one yet. They do misplace them in their clothing sometimes, but we instructed them to always look at it as if they have a $500 bill in their posession, because yes it is an expensive and PITA loss if they do.

Bottom line.... If you can not obey the laws of the coutnry you want to visit, then do not go there.

[snellemin]

Getting a replacement driver license is as easy as going online and apply for one for a few bucks and getting it in the mail within a week. If the greencard was as easy as going online and low cost, that yea no issue for me to carry my greencard. Hell getting a Surinamese passport is easier than a green card. Or how about going to the post office to apply for you American passport. Easy as pie. Greencards are more valuable to immigrants than Americans think. Why, because you can't get one with ease. Like I said before. It took my parents more then 7 years to get one. And they did it the legal way. 7 Years of waiting just so you can give your kids a better opportunity in life.

Make the replacement cost affordable and quick and I'll carry mine anytime, just like I carry all my other ID's.

[JERRY2KONE]

Originally Posted by snellemin

Getting a replacement driver license is as easy as going online and apply for one for a few bucks and getting it in the mail within a week. If the greencard was as easy as going online and low cost, that yea no issue for me to carry my greencard. Hell getting a Surinamese passport is easier than a green card. Or how about going to the post office to apply for you American passport. Easy as pie. Greencards are more valuable to immigrants than Americans think. Why, because you can't get one with ease. Like I said before. It took my parents more then 7 years to get one. And they did it the legal way. 7 Years of waiting just so you can give your kids a better opportunity in life.

Make the replacement cost affordable and quick and I'll carry mine anytime, just like I carry all my other ID's.

Look Snell I have seen some of your posts in here for a while now and you are a pretty straight up guy. I do not come in RCM to fight with anyone on this point. Yes I understand that it took 7 years to get your first green card, but that is not the case if you have to apply for a replacement card because it was stolen or lost. Federal law requires anyone with a green card to carry it at all times. Not me, the Federal law states it. It does not say except if. If your not going to at least carry the original green card, than carry a copy of it for the reason you shared. That can be explained and proven to be a true copy if anything should come up. I do understand the cost and the PITA it takes to get one replaced if it is lost. That is the way it is, and all I can say is do not lose it. I am 52 years old and have been carrying a license, and military ID card an a whole lot of cesurity type ID's most of my life. I have never lost one yet. I did however drop my wallot into the North Atlantic one time and luckily got it back with a boat hook. We were in the middle of a really bad storm with 100mph winds and the whole wallot just blew right out of my hands. I treat my ID's like gold and protect them as such. Anyone who has ID's should treat them the same way. Especially if they are valuable to you. Like I said I have to do it for every country we have lived in, so I know how you feel about the value of those ID's. I have never had a green card, but I have to believe that they keep a good record of what is issued. So if someone was to lose one they could show their other ID's and have another one made up fairly easy. Of course we all know there is red tape to go through for every Gov issue, but it is still a doable process.

[snellemin]

Jerry, I have had copies of my greencard before. And it was unacceptable by the local popo. I was threaten to be picked up by immigration, got slapped, abused with no excuse and whatnot by the good old american popo. Is it my fault I look like a Latino/Mexican and profiled. I'm half Chinese. Scare tactics don't work on a person that has grown up with fear on a daily basis. So what if immigration picks me up. Once they see my file, I will get released. Waste of time and tax money. At the same time I can sue if I really wanted too. But that would make me a typical American that likes to sue anybody for anything. Anyways, if the police have all your criminal record on file in their car, why can't the FBI/immigration have a link with the Popo to see even more info. In this day of age, you can't tell me that it's not possible. It's BS for an underlying issue.
370 bucks for an ID card. Give me a break. Construction guy or farm help can't cough up that kinda money on time. This country is build on immigrants, needs immigrants and at the same time don't want them. This is the point of view of most fellow immigrants.

So there are two options in my eyes about the ID issue.

1. Reduce the fee and most won't care carrying the ID with them.
2. Have BrianG work out a program to link the Immigration/FBI files with the police.

[Arct1k]

I have a green card and certainly do not carry it at all times and wouldnt want to - I've been stopped by the police in teh past and produced US driving licence and its never been an issue.

I see no reason to carry a card at all times - I do think it is reasonable to present proof of residency if you are expecting any service from the US gov or commit a crime. This would trap almost all.

Couple of other thoughts - I was here on and I94 work visa which is just a stamp in my passport. Would that mean I should carry my passport at all times.

Surely this would mean legal US citizens also have to carry id otherwise you are an illegal? Whats the % of americans with a PP or a driving licence?

Does that mean every American will carry their birth certificate?

PS My driving licence in NJ at least is only ever validated for as long as my work visa allowed. Hence if I had a driving licence there was a pretty good chance I was legit. However in either of my tickets or pleas at court this was never asked about

[JERRY2KONE]

Originally Posted by Arct1k

I have a green card and certainly do not carry it at all times and wouldnt want to - I've been stopped by the police in teh past and produced US driving licence and its never been an issue.

Than you have been one of the lucky ones.

I see no reason to carry a card at all times - I do think it is reasonable to present proof of residency if you are expecting any service from the US gov or commit a crime. This would trap almost all.

Every adult over the age of 17 is required by law to carry some form of ID no matter who you are. That is just common sense.

Couple of other thoughts - I was here on and I94 work visa which is just a stamp in my passport. Would that mean I should carry my passport at all times.

Yes just like we do when living in other countries on a Visa, becasue it is the law. When in another country you are required to carry either your passport with a valid Visa, or a resident alien ID card issued by that country. This is common law in every country we have stayed in so far. Why is this so strange only to the people visiting the USA? When it is routine in every other country in the world? I don't get it.

Surely this would mean legal US citizens also have to carry id otherwise you are an illegal? Yes this is correct! Whats the % of americans with a PP or a driving licence? 100% unless they are just homeless without anything in the world to their names, and even most of them have some form of ID just so they will be left alone.

Does that mean every American will carry their birth certificate? Not at all.

PS My driving licence in NJ at least is only ever validated for as long as my work visa allowed. Hence if I had a driving licence there was a pretty good chance I was legit. However in either of my tickets or pleas at court this was never asked about

That is because too many lawyers are fighting with the US Gov about interfering in privacy matters with immigrants, which is BS. If anyone wants the full benefits of the USA, then they have to give up their citizenship and passport to their birth home and become a US citizen period. Otherwise the immigration laws are spelled out in simple terms for people who are happy to remain as visitors to the US. And most of all these laws are no different than the laws in other countries around the world. There is no special compensation between the USA or any other country unless they just do not care.

[Arct1k]

A quick google says 37% of Americans have a pp

http://www.brennancenter.org/page/-/...file_39242.pdf

Worth a skim.

[aqwut]

I'm not a US citizen, but there has to be more this that what we hear or see possibly?...

[brainanator]

I don't have a passport, but don't need one as I never leave my country :) I do carry my ID with me at all times, of course.