Increasing the value of the motor from Castle?

[x-y]

Originally Posted by BIG-block

I see your point but I have serious doubts that the Chinese (they are all Chinese anyways) ones will stay at their current price for too long. I say if you see a cheap brushless motor anywhere buy it and stock up.

I have many leopard/ezrun/xerun escs and motors ..... and the quality is the same or better than castle ....... the support of castle is better but the prices of this other "companys" are extremely lower ....

castle is great but if they increase the prices is normal the people search other cheap options ........ is the same than mgm compro ........ they have the best electronics/warrantys, but they have a crazy expensive prices ........ for me is impossible pay 500usd for an esc ...... :(

[Pdelcast]

Originally Posted by x-y

I have many leopard/ezrun/xerun escs and motors ..... and the quality is the same or better than castle ....... the support of castle is better but the prices of this other "companys" are extremely lower ....

castle is great but if they increase the prices is normal the people search other cheap options ........ is the same than mgm compro ........ they have the best electronics/warrantys, but they have a crazy expensive prices ........ for me is impossible pay 500usd for an esc ...... :(

Quality is the same or better than Castle? Hmmm, not a single sample we've tested from those other manufacturers even comes close the same quality.

At Castle, we use 180C (14xx series) or 200C (15xx series) rated magnets. Other companies use 130C or 150C rated magnets BECAUSE THEY ARE MUCH CHEAPER. What does this mean? It means you can run a Castle motor much harder, without risk of damaging the magnets.

We use .2mm laminations. Other companies use .35mm laminations (BECAUSE THEY ARE MUCH CHEAPER.) Why does Castle use more expensive laminations? Because this makes the motor run cooler. So Castle motors can be pushed harder and don't get as hot.

Castle motors use Japanese NMB bearings. Other companies use Chinese bearings (BECAUSE THEY ARE MUCH CHEAPER.) Why does Castle use NMB bearings? Because they last longer, make less noise, and run cooler.

Sure, you can buy a less expensive motor. But don't make the assumption that because they look similar on the outside that they perform the same way.

Could castle make a cheap motor? Of course we could.

But we don't want to make a cheap motor. We'll leave that to other companies.

We always have the option to use less capable magnets in our motors. But right now, we don't want to change. We'll pay the higher price, and unfortunately, so will the consumer. Why? Because quality means something at Castle.

It's not all about price. If price means that much to you, then I'm afraid we'll lose you as a customer. We are interested in performance. And often high performance means higher prices.

Can everyone afford a Porsche or a big AMG Mercedes? No. For many people, a Ford is just fine.

Castle has always striven to give "Porsche" performance at a Ford price. :) But we aren't willing to sacrifice performance to keep those prices when it becomes impossible for us to keep the pricing stable.

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Now, what can the RC enthusiast do to help keep prices low on high performance products (like Castle motors?)

Contact your congressmen, and let them know it's in our country's interest for them to support: H.R. 4866, the Rare Earths Supply-Chain Technology and Resources Transformation Act of 2010 (house) and S. 3521, Rare Earths Supply Technology and Resources Transformation Act of 2010 (Senate)

[outlaw]

Story from last saturday

I tested a Leopard motor last weekend.
This motor should be an "waiting extention" until I'm able to order my Neu 1412.
This motor last about 5min not even driving close to the limits

After it broke, i put in my 1410 and could drive the remaining day ....
Without a single issue and this motor is not even spected for my car, an 8,5 lbs RC8 to SC converion
No broken shaft no overheating nothing (hope for the 5mm rotor)
The Leopard died on 4S (2000KV) @ 95 ambiente temp with more than 200F
The Castle on 2S in the same car and not much slower never temped over 140F
on the same track same conditions

This is value for the money I don't want miss, even if i can't afford it for a certain time.

I'll be in the US first two weeks of August and will 100% order the Neu while over there to save the money on shipping

Castle Creation does have an unpayable attitude

"Customer Service is not an deparment, it is an Attitude"

And the prices are not Castles fault

just my 2 cents

[Finnster]

Originally Posted by Pdelcast

...great tech info...

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Now, what can the RC enthusiast do to help keep prices low on high performance products (like Castle motors?)

Contact your congressmen, and let them know it's in our country's interest for them to support: H.R. 4866, the Rare Earths Supply-Chain Technology and Resources Transformation Act of 2010 (house) and S. 3521, Rare Earths Supply Technology and Resources Transformation Act of 2010 (Senate)

IDK what the detail of the bill is, but can this actually do anything? From what I know, China has nearly all the available rare earth metals and is not shy about using that to its advantage, as well as having its own terrible inflation problem (from years of artificially keeping their currency low.)

Perhaps now are we just seeing a more "real" price for these items than we are used to (discounting the market manipulation)?


Glad I stocked up during last year's sale

[Pdelcast]

Originally Posted by Finnster

IDK what the detail of the bill is, but can this actually do anything? From what I know, China has nearly all the available rare earth metals and is not shy about using that to its advantage, as well as having its own terrible inflation problem (from years of artificially keeping their currency low.)

Perhaps now are we just seeing a more "real" price for these items than we are used to (discounting the market manipulation)?


Glad I stocked up during last year's sale

China has about 30% of the world rare earth supply. The USA has about 18%, but doesn't produce (because all the producers shutdown due to extremely low prices from China 3-4 years ago...)

The metal used in the magnets (neodymium) isn't very rare -- it's more abundant than lead, and about as abundant as copper. It's just that all the producers around the world stopped production because they couldn't make any profit with China selling the metals so cheaply.

They are all scrambling to reopen mining on rare earths now that the prices have risen so high, but it takes a significant amount of time (1-2 years or longer) to reopen the old mines and production facilities.

[Finnster]

Originally Posted by Pdelcast

China has about 30% of the world rare earth supply. The USA has about 18%, but doesn't produce (because all the producers shutdown due to extremely low prices from China 3-4 years ago...)

The metal used in the magnets (neodymium) isn't very rare -- it's more abundant than lead, and about as abundant as copper. It's just that all the producers around the world stopped production because they couldn't make any profit with China selling the metals so cheaply.

They are all scrambling to reopen mining on rare earths now that the prices have risen so high, but it takes a significant amount of time (1-2 years or longer) to reopen the old mines and production facilities.

Thanks Pat, I stand corrected. Bad for Rc, maybe good for US miners. Hopefully we'll at least get some jobs out of this.

FWIW, I found the Neu and cc motors to be better than my medusas. They werent bad, just not as good.

[Pdelcast]

Originally Posted by Finnster

Hopefully we'll at least get some jobs out of this.

Very true! I know Molycorp is reopening at least one mine in California, and there are other companies looking to open mines in the Dakotas...

[Finnster]

Originally Posted by Pdelcast

Very true! I know Molycorp is reopening at least one mine in California, and there are other companies looking to open mines in the Dakotas...

Wouldn't you know that BBC News had just this story on tonite. Molycorp is Denver based too

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-us-canada-14114107

Interesting.. I'll have to keep track of this..