Neu and Mamba Max Combo

Oh, I also wanted to ask...what's the deal with the Lehner "hi-amp" version, other than not being limited to the use of 3.5mm plugs? Will it draw more current, or can it just handle more current?

Will it work with the RC Monster heatsink? Do you even need a heatsink?

[Sower]

Well, I can't answer all of your questions, but I can tell you the heatsink for the Lehner will depend on the gearing and size of the motor you select. But the short answer from my research is that you will not need a heat sink. Especially with the hi-amp because it will run cooler. I'm sure someone has a way better answer than that. :005:

You might check the thread I started on this Neu vs Lehner deal for my upcoming CRT conversion. Here's the link:

http://www.rc-monster.com/forum/showthread.php?t=5611

From what I understand, the Lehner motors are some of the most (if not THE most) efficient motors on earth.

Anyone else have some better info than me here?:027:

[Sower]

jhautz . . . dude, I just checked your photo album and saw my old Neu powered XXX4 G+!! That brought back memories - very cool.

Sorry all of you for that tangent. I'll stay on topic. :eek:

[jhautz]

Originally Posted by Sower

jhautz . . . dude, I just checked your photo album and saw my old Neu powered XXX4 G+!! That brought back memories - very cool.

Sorry all of you for that tangent. I'll stay on topic. :eek:

:018: Yea, That was a cool little buggy.

[glassdoctor]

Originally Posted by Sower

From what I understand, the Lehner motors are some of the most (if not THE most) efficient motors on earth.

Anyone else have some better info than me here?:027:

According to the guys at CC (if we can trust them ?) the Neu are hands down the most effecient motors "on earth"... at least on r/c earth.

:D

AA, I belive the HiAmp motors, besides the connector differences, let you run them in either delta or wye configuration which changes the kv... it's like getting two motors in one. But I haven't really paid attention to them, maybe I'm missing something.

btw, the 4mm shaft on the Lehners stink... too bad they don't just go 5mm like everthing else.

If you already have a Quark I think the answer is obviouls... buy a Neu.

If you already have a MM or want to stay with CC, then buy a Lehner.

Since you want a second back up system that makes it harder... two Quarks is a lot of jack.

For now I am staying in the CC camp and hoping that they really deliver the goods with the MMM.

If you buy a Lehner and a second MM that's cheaper, plus you never know... the update may do the trick and you can pick up a new Neu motor. :)

[jhautz]

http://www.rc-monster.com/forum/showthread.php?t=3771

This is the original thread on that heatsink. The first post has pictures with it alone, with fans and installed on my revo with the quark. Heh, I was still running my 9XL in it back then. :002: Its got a Neu in it now.

The Quark/Neu or Quark/Lehner are still the best setups IMO. The Lehner and Neu motors are just about equal in my book as far as performance, but the Quark is still the best all around controller in my book. Smooth, plenty of programaing options, a built in LVC and with some sort of heat sink it handles plenty of power. Its not perfect, but its the best thing available right now IMO.

[Sower]

Originally Posted by jhautz

http://www.rc-monster.com/forum/showthread.php?t=3771

This is the original thread on that heatsink. The first post has pictures with it alone, with fans and installed on my revo with the quark. Heh, I was still running my 9XL in it back then. :002: Its got a Neu in it now.

The Quark/Neu or Quark/Lehner are still the best setups IMO. The Lehner and Neu motors are just about equal in my book as far as performance, but the Quark is still the best all around controller in my book. Smooth, plenty of programaing options, a built in LVC and with some sort of heat sink it handles plenty of power. Its not perfect, but its the best thing available right now IMO.

The challenge with the Quark for me is the value. It's expensive, and needs fans and a heat sink. I guess it's just tough for me to buy it when the MM is so close to being it's equal, costs 1/2 as much, and is so easy to program.

[jhautz]

Originally Posted by Sower

The challenge with the Quark for me is the value. It's expensive, and needs fans and a heat sink. I guess it's just tough for me to buy it when the MM is so close to being it's equal, costs 1/2 as much, and is so easy to program.

Heatsink yes. I think that it is ''needed'' The fans are not really needed. From what I have found the fans are a little overkill with the heatsink. I run the Quark in my XLB conversion with just a heatsink and it stays cool enough. Never thermals or anything. The fans just keep it really cool.

I wouldnt exactly call the MM its equal. The MM is a reliable 4s controller and the Quark is a reliable 5s controller. Yes the MM will run 5s, but about as well as the Quark runs 6s. Its pushing it. The MM only runs 2 pole motors. The quark will run any motor. (Even outrunners) The MM needs fans in larger scale aplications also. Most that run it in monster trucks or truggies need fans to keep the temps down. (EDIT: The Quark is still a much smoother esc than the MM even with 2 pole motors. The MM in my experience still has a slight cogging with the bigger 2 pole motors like the Lehner and Feigao motors. The Quark just doesnt cogg at all.) The only real advantage the MM has over the Quark is the USB programaing. And in my opinion how often do you really program the thing. A few times when you get it to try out different settings to see what works for you and then you pretty much just leave it. So that advantage doesnt loom that large in my mind. I cant remeber the last time I changed any of the setting on my quark. Once its setup it just works.

It really boils down to whats good enough for you and what your budget is. I'm not tring to bash the MM here. I think its amazing for the $$. I am talking about what the best setup is. IMO the Quark with any motor is still the best setup. I personally am willing to pay for it cuz I know it just works, its reliable, and I dont need a second controller in case the first one fries.

[Sower]

:)

Originally Posted by jhautz

Heatsink yes. I think that it is ''needed'' The fans are not really needed. From what I have found the fans are a little overkill with the heatsink. I run the Quark in my XLB conversion with just a heatsink and it stays cool enough. Never thermals or anything. The fans just keep it really cool.

I wouldnt exactly call the MM its equal. The MM is a reliable 4s controller and the Quark is a reliable 5s controller. Yes the MM will run 5s, but about as well as the Quark runs 6s. Its pushing it. The MM only runs 2 pole motors. The quark will run any motor. (Even outrunners) The MM needs fans in larger scale aplications also. Most that run it in monster trucks or truggies need fans to keep the temps down. The only real advantage the MM has over the Quark is the USB programaing. And in my opinion how often do you really program the thing. A few times when you get it to try out different settings to see what works for you and then you pretty much just leave it. So that advantage doesnt loom that large in my mind. I cant remeber the last time I changed any of the setting on my quark. Once its setup it just works.

It really boils down to whats good enough for you and what your budget is. I'm not tring to bash the MM here. I think its amazing for the $$. I am talking about what the best setup is. IMO the Quark with any motor is still the best setup. I personally am willing to pay for it cuz I know it just works, its reliable, and I dont need a second controller in case the first one fries.

Very good points. I guess you're right about the frequency of programming. Not sure why I didn't think of that sooner. I had a Quark 33 in a Mini-LST and a XXX4 G+ (I guess you knew that one) - and you're right. Programmed it once and that was it. I think I'm back on the Neu/Quark setup.

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