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Pdelcast · 01:23 PM

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Originally Posted by crazyjr

Hey Patrick, Got a few questions. Are these going to be 550 or 540 based? What are the KV of each motor? and will they be available seperate of any esc? I already have a mamba max and plan to go MMpro and MMM later, do not see a need for a sidewinder. Thanks for any info you can provide

The new Sidewinder SCT version handles similar power to the MMP, but is a lot less expensive (but doesn't have the features! -- it's a linear BEC, so limited to 3S, and has no sensor port...)

The motors will be available separately from controllers.

I don't really know what you mean by 550 or 540 based -- Mabuchi motor sizes?

The 1410 is the longest at 52.90mm (to be within the ROAR mandated 53.00mm length maximum.)

The 1406 motors are somewhat shorter.

And available Kvs are:

1410: 3800Kv
1406: 4600, 5200, 6700, 7700 -- more added soon.

Thanx!

Patrick

hoovdog · 09.22.2010, 02:21 PM

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Originally Posted by Pdelcast

And available Kvs are:

1410: 3800Kv

Thanx!

Patrick

So a slightly higher kv than the Neu equivalent or mistype? Looking forward to getting my hands on this motor!

BrianG · 03:19 PM

That 1410 3800kv motor sounds like it will be a popular motor! Fills in the ~3500kv void left by Medusa and will be a really good replacement for the VXL motor...

Would be nice to eventually have a ~4000kv (for 2s) and ~2500kv (for 4s) options.

suicideneil · 03:19 PM

They sound great 4 pole upgrades to the current 2 pole motors- thinking a decent vxl motor substitute for all the guys looking for better power and temps but similar speeds ( ~3000-3800kv range ).. Currently I suggest either neu 1509s or medusa 50mm motors, but one is $$ and the other is hard to find.

EDIT: and there you go

rootar · 09.22.2010, 03:36 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Pdelcast

The new Sidewinder SCT version handles similar power to the MMP, but is a lot less expensive (but doesn't have the features! -- it's a linear BEC, so limited to 3S, and has no sensor port...)

The motors will be available separately from controllers.
Thanx!

Patrick

AWESOME! you created a super affordable system that any shop can confidently recomend for any 2wd or 4wd sc truck (slash 4x4 replacement when the vxl dies)

a sensored version of the motor, longer of course so not to take away from rotor length combo'd with the pro would be the perfect "pro sc " system for some us that just demand a sensored setup for our little toy race cars

reno911 · 09.22.2010, 03:58 PM

Patrick what vehicles are you testing them in?

Slash 4x4? Performance?

Pdelcast · 09.22.2010, 04:05 PM

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Originally Posted by rootar

AWESOME! you created a super affordable system that any shop can confidently recomend for any 2wd or 4wd sc truck (slash 4x4 replacement when the vxl dies)

a sensored version of the motor, longer of course so not to take away from rotor length combo'd with the pro would be the perfect "pro sc " system for some us that just demand a sensored setup for our little toy race cars

Yeah, we have a "pro" version in the works...

phatmonk · 09.22.2010, 04:10 PM

I 2nd the MMP.

rootar · 09.22.2010, 04:31 PM

im running a novak hv 6.5 with a MMP in my 4x4 right and its great esc never breaks 10 degrees above outside temp and motor runs about the same maybe 5-10 degrees warmer, after 10-15 minutes on the track.

so what diameter is the rotor in these new motors?

JThiessen · 09.22.2010, 05:52 PM

Just out of curiosity, are these somewhat waterproof (in comparison to the VXL)??? That's the reason I bought my Slash 4x4's - we get a lot of liquid sunshine up here in the PNW.

crazyjr · 09.22.2010, 06:00 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Pdelcast

The new Sidewinder SCT version handles similar power to the MMP, but is a lot less expensive (but doesn't have the features! -- it's a linear BEC, so limited to 3S, and has no sensor port...)

The motors will be available separately from controllers.

I don't really know what you mean by 550 or 540 based -- Mabuchi motor sizes?

The 1410 is the longest at 52.90mm (to be within the ROAR mandated 53.00mm length maximum.)

The 1406 motors are somewhat shorter.

And available Kvs are:

1410: 3800Kv
1406: 4600, 5200, 6700, 7700 -- more added soon.

Thanx!

Patrick

Yes i was meaning like standard 540 and 550 brushed. I DL'ed the Roar rule book and saw that they only allow 12.51mm dia, 25mm long, 2 pole rotors. Does this mean a 2 pole motor with Neu type windings? also I'd like to see either the 1410 or the 1406 in a 3000kv or lower range (preferably around 2500kv) will that be possible?

Pdelcast · 09.22.2010, 06:20 PM

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Originally Posted by crazyjr

Yes i was meaning like standard 540 and 550 brushed. I DL'ed the Roar rule book and saw that they only allow 12.51mm dia, 25mm long, 2 pole rotors. Does this mean a 2 pole motor with Neu type windings? also I'd like to see either the 1410 or the 1406 in a 3000kv or lower range (preferably around 2500kv) will that be possible?

12.5mmx25mm 2 pole rotors are only for stock and super stock.

Modified motors are allowed to be any construction as long as they have 1/8" shaft, and fit in a can 36.00mm x 53.00mm. And for racing, SC trucks are allowed to use ANY Modified motor. Stock motors don't have enough power.

Stock and Super Stock are based on the Novak motor design, which is a 3 slot (salient pole winding) two pole motor design with a 12.5mm rotor. Really a bad design IMHO, because it is very very sensitive to timing. ROAR should have adopted a very low inductance motor (like a two pole slotless) for stock and super stock, because those motors are very insensitive to timing -- makes it harder (if near impossible) to cheat.

crazyjr · 07:23 PM

So you could run a 1506 with a 1/8 shaft in a stadium truck for example, that would be too much, but fun to try.

thanks for the explanation Patrick, Two last question, Will these motors replace the current standard castle 1/10 motors currently in use? and, Are you planning a 4 pole replacement for the mini classes?

thanks and sorry for all the questions, I prefer the smaller 1/10 classes over MT and truggy.

EDIT: Holy crap, I just found out lehner xl and 1920 W/3.17mmshaft motors are allowed by patricks words. I wonder if smaller diameter motors would be allowed if not longer than max length?

Pdelcast · 08:37 PM

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Originally Posted by crazyjr

So you could run a 1506 with a 1/8 shaft in a stadium truck for example, that would be too much, but fun to try.

thanks for the explanation Patrick, Two last question, Will these motors replace the current standard castle 1/10 motors currently in use? and, Are you planning a 4 pole replacement for the mini classes?

thanks and sorry for all the questions, I prefer the smaller 1/10 classes over MT and truggy.

EDIT: Holy crap, I just found out lehner xl and 1920 W/3.17mmshaft motors are allowed by patricks words. I wonder if smaller diameter motors would be allowed if not longer than max length?

No, you couldn't run those motors, because they have a diameter over 36mm...

A mabuchi 540 size motor is 36mm diameter and 55mm length... and that's defined as the MAXIMUM allowable dimension for ROAR modified.

Lehner XL is longer than 53mm too...

Those are motor sizes, not rotor sizes.

fastbaja5b · 09.22.2010, 09:30 PM

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Originally Posted by JThiessen

Just out of curiosity, are these somewhat waterproof (in comparison to the VXL)??? That's the reason I bought my Slash 4x4's - we get a lot of liquid sunshine up here in the PNW.

Ditto on this, chasing a waterproof jobby for the Summit, as it is my stock ESC / Dewalt Motor pulls the same sort of amps on take off w/ 4s Lipo that the Savage Flux did (130 amps)