Any of you upset over your healthcare law?

[georgec]

Originally Posted by nitrostarter

I think a huge influx of mailings containing Constitution copies and notes would get noticed!

It would be great if it was an organized effort that would flood Washington with bags and bags of Constitution copies and notes!

[nitrostarter]

Thats what I'm suggesting. I'm posting it on Facebook and sending mass emails with links and addresses as we speak.

[zeropointbug]

Well I think they will laugh at you. Really. Here is what Bush says of your Constitution: Bush - 'Just A God damned Piece Of Paper'

Obama doesn't even sing your national anthem, and has been shown that he basically hates your country. He's also an alien as well!

[zeropointbug]

NOT to discourage!

[Finnster]

[georgec]

The Truth About the Health Care Bills - Michael Connelly, Ret. Constitutional Attorney

Well, I have done it! I have read the entire text of proposed House Bill 3200: The Affordable Health Care Choices Act of 2009. I studied it with particular emphasis from my area of expertise, constitutional law. I was frankly concerned that parts of the proposed law that were being discussed might be unconstitutional. What I found was far worse than what I had heard or expected.

To begin with, much of what has been said about the law and its implications is in fact true, despite what the Democrats and the media are saying. The law does provide for rationing of health care, particularly where senior citizens and other classes of citizens are involved, free health care for illegal immigrants, free abortion services, and probably forced participation in abortions by members of the medical profession.

The Bill will also eventually force private insurance companies out of business, and put everyone into a government run system. All decisions about personal health care will ultimately be made by federal bureaucrats, and most of them will not be health care professionals. Hospital admissions, payments to physicians, and allocations of necessary medical devices will be strictly controlled by the government.

However, as scary as all of that is, it just scratches the surface. In fact, I have concluded that this legislation really has no intention of providing affordable health care choices. Instead it is a convenient cover for the most massive transfer of power to the Executive Branch of government that has ever occurred, or even been contemplated If this law or a similar one is adopted, major portions of the Constitution of the United States will effectively have been destroyed.

The first thing to go will be the masterfully crafted balance of power between the Executive, Legislative, and Judicial branches of the U.S. Government. The Congress will be transferring to the Obama Administration authority in a number of different areas over the lives of the American people, and the businesses they own.

The irony is that the Congress doesn't have any authority to legislate in most of those areas to begin with! I defy anyone to read the text of the U.S. Constitution and find any authority granted to the members of Congress to regulate health care.

This legislation also provides for access, by the appointees of the Obama administration, of all of your personal healthcare direct violation of the specific provisions of the 4th Amendment to the Constitution information, your personal financial information, and the information of your employer, physician, and hospital. All of this is a protecting against unreasonable searches and seizures. You can also forget about the right to privacy. That will have been legislated into oblivion regardless of what the 3rd and 4th Amendments may provide.

If you decide not to have healthcare insurance, or if you have private insurance that is not deemed acceptable to the Health Choices Administrator appointed by Obama, there will be a tax imposed on you. It is called a tax instead of a fine because of the intent to avoid application of the due process clause of the 5th Amendment. However , that doesn't work because since there is nothing in the law that allows you to contest or appeal the imposition of the tax, it is definitely depriving someone of property without the due process of law.

So, there are three of those pesky amendments that the far left hate so much, out the original ten in the Bill of Rights, that are effectively nullified by this law It doesn't stop there though.

The 9th Amendment that provides: The enumeration in the Constitution, of certain rights, shall not be construed to deny or disparage others retained by the people;

The 10th Amendment states: The powers not delegated to the United States by the Constitution, nor prohibited by it to the States, are preserved to the States respectively, or to the people. Under the provisions of this piece of Congressional handiwork neither the people nor the states are going to have any rights or powers at all in many areas that once were theirs to control.

I could write many more pages about this legislation, but I think you get the idea. This is not about health care; it is about seizing power and limiting rights. Article 6 of the Constitution requires the members of both houses of Congress to "be bound by oath or affirmation to support the Constitution." If I was a member of Congress I would not be able to vote for this legislation or anything like it, without feeling I was violating that sacred oath or affirmation. If I voted for it anyway, I would hope the American people would hold me accountable.

For those who might doubt the nature of this threat, I suggest they consult the source, the US Constitution, and Bill of Rights. There you can see exactly what we are about to have taken from us.

Michael Connelly
Retired attorney,
Constitutional Law Instructor
Carrollton , Texas

[crazyjr]

Originally Posted by georgec

The Truth About the Health Care Bills - Michael Connelly, Ret. Constitutional Attorney

Well, I have done it! I have read the entire text of proposed House Bill 3200: The Affordable Health Care Choices Act of 2009. I studied it with particular emphasis from my area of expertise, constitutional law. I was frankly concerned that parts of the proposed law that were being discussed might be unconstitutional. What I found was far worse than what I had heard or expected.

To begin with, much of what has been said about the law and its implications is in fact true, despite what the Democrats and the media are saying. The law does provide for rationing of health care, particularly where senior citizens and other classes of citizens are involved, free health care for illegal immigrants, free abortion services, and probably forced participation in abortions by members of the medical profession.

The Bill will also eventually force private insurance companies out of business, and put everyone into a government run system. All decisions about personal health care will ultimately be made by federal bureaucrats, and most of them will not be health care professionals. Hospital admissions, payments to physicians, and allocations of necessary medical devices will be strictly controlled by the government.

However, as scary as all of that is, it just scratches the surface. In fact, I have concluded that this legislation really has no intention of providing affordable health care choices. Instead it is a convenient cover for the most massive transfer of power to the Executive Branch of government that has ever occurred, or even been contemplated If this law or a similar one is adopted, major portions of the Constitution of the United States will effectively have been destroyed.

The first thing to go will be the masterfully crafted balance of power between the Executive, Legislative, and Judicial branches of the U.S. Government. The Congress will be transferring to the Obama Administration authority in a number of different areas over the lives of the American people, and the businesses they own.

The irony is that the Congress doesn't have any authority to legislate in most of those areas to begin with! I defy anyone to read the text of the U.S. Constitution and find any authority granted to the members of Congress to regulate health care.

This legislation also provides for access, by the appointees of the Obama administration, of all of your personal healthcare direct violation of the specific provisions of the 4th Amendment to the Constitution information, your personal financial information, and the information of your employer, physician, and hospital. All of this is a protecting against unreasonable searches and seizures. You can also forget about the right to privacy. That will have been legislated into oblivion regardless of what the 3rd and 4th Amendments may provide.

If you decide not to have healthcare insurance, or if you have private insurance that is not deemed acceptable to the Health Choices Administrator appointed by Obama, there will be a tax imposed on you. It is called a tax instead of a fine because of the intent to avoid application of the due process clause of the 5th Amendment. However , that doesn't work because since there is nothing in the law that allows you to contest or appeal the imposition of the tax, it is definitely depriving someone of property without the due process of law.

So, there are three of those pesky amendments that the far left hate so much, out the original ten in the Bill of Rights, that are effectively nullified by this law It doesn't stop there though.

The 9th Amendment that provides: The enumeration in the Constitution, of certain rights, shall not be construed to deny or disparage others retained by the people;

The 10th Amendment states: The powers not delegated to the United States by the Constitution, nor prohibited by it to the States, are preserved to the States respectively, or to the people. Under the provisions of this piece of Congressional handiwork neither the people nor the states are going to have any rights or powers at all in many areas that once were theirs to control.

I could write many more pages about this legislation, but I think you get the idea. This is not about health care; it is about seizing power and limiting rights. Article 6 of the Constitution requires the members of both houses of Congress to "be bound by oath or affirmation to support the Constitution." If I was a member of Congress I would not be able to vote for this legislation or anything like it, without feeling I was violating that sacred oath or affirmation. If I voted for it anyway, I would hope the American people would hold me accountable.

For those who might doubt the nature of this threat, I suggest they consult the source, the US Constitution, and Bill of Rights. There you can see exactly what we are about to have taken from us.

Michael Connelly
Retired attorney,
Constitutional Law Instructor
Carrollton , Texas

Reading this disturbs me greatly, Even i didn't think the democrats would go this far for power over the people. Granted they have always wanted big govt. and willing to spend big on it. When Obama was running for Pres., I remember everyone saying "He's not one of them", "he is not in the big boys club", That's crap. How do you go from Lt. Governor, to Senator, to president in 6 years and not be the chosen one. Appointed and mentored to do what he is doing right now.

Anyone that knows of Megadeth, Listen to the "Countdown to Extinction" album, There is a song that almost sounds like it was written for our pres. called the Symphony of Destruction

[JERRY2KONE]

Can you say setup? When anyone can race through the ranks at such speed and do it so young it can only be because someone is stacking the deck in their favor. The Democrats groomed Obama for this position knowing that it might be the time for America to vote for change with a black president, and use him to achieve their goals by manipulating his authority. Obama is trying his best to please everyone by doing something positive for our country, although not knowing just how badly he is being used as the patsy in all of this. Do you really think that he has read the entire bill? I doubt it. His party is telling him that all is good, and that he is doing the right thing. This is politics plain and simple. They are all corrupt in one way or another. I don't like any of them. The whole system has become a runaway train and none of them has any concern for what they are doing to the country. They are all in it to get rich and get out before the soul of our nation comes crumbling down. What a mess.

[lutach]

Originally Posted by crazyjr

Reading this disturbs me greatly, Even i didn't think the democrats would go this far for power over the people. Granted they have always wanted big govt. and willing to spend big on it. When Obama was running for Pres., I remember everyone saying "He's not one of them", "he is not in the big boys club", That's crap. How do you go from Lt. Governor, to Senator, to president in 6 years and not be the chosen one. Appointed and mentored to do what he is doing right now.

Anyone that knows of Megadeth, Listen to the "Countdown to Extinction" album, There is a song that almost sounds like it was written for our pres. called the Symphony of Destruction

This might sound wrong to some people, but I told everyone I know if Obama or Clinton won, it would be a disaster. When Obama won, everyone I know was so F****** happy and I told them to wait and see. Now they are asking me question and how I knew. I simply told them, I'm ready and Brasil will soon be my home again.

I guess what Bill Gates said about decreasing the population by 15% will come true. I hope it doesn't though.

[JERRY2KONE]

It is just like some of the top politicians stated previously. Obama was too young and not qualified to run our country for the betterment of the people. He is out to make a name for himself and nothing else. He has no idea what he is doing, and we are his guinnie pigs. After this is all over with all he can do is say "I tried my best to give the people what they wanted during my election campaign. Its a dammed shame it did not work out for the best. Now I must go to my tax paid retirement and enjoy the rest of my life. Good luck with that health care thing."

Then someone else will be left to come in and clean up his mess. If there is a country left to run?

[lincpimp]

As far as purging the undesireable people we used to have a system for that. It was called natural selection, eg, the kid who played in the street and ate lead paint did not get to grow up to have kids of his own. Now all we do is reward these people with free everything cause it is more "humane" (or some other crap manipulated word that is meaningless).

If you take away the rewards, the behaviour will change. I see alot of subpar people every day. Yes, I may be an elitist or have a "superiority complex" but really, most people are living the "bubble" life that was mentioned earlier. And that will not work well when all the "change" we have "hoped" for comes to pass.

I really cannot see where stocking up on food, guns and ammo is a bad thing. Food is food, and guns/ammo go up in value over time, recently much better than just about anything else. So even if there are not issues, at least you can eat the food and sell off the guns/ammo to buy other stuff (like hookers and booze) and that in itself will stimulate the economy, provided that you buy american (guns, hookers and booze).

Maybe I am wrong, but at least I am ready for something. Unless we get attacked by rainbows and love (guns are not effective to either) I should be ok. Or better off than some.

[squeeforever]

Originally Posted by lincpimp

Maybe I am wrong, but at least I am ready for something. Unless we get attacked by rainbows and love (guns are not effective to either) I should be ok. Or better off than some.

I'm with you man...Last time I counted there was 26 fully loaded guns in my house (even one full auto) and a few more couldn't hurt. I'm ready for WWIII over here...

[PBO]

Originally Posted by squeeforever

I'm with you man...Last time I counted there was 26 fully loaded guns in my house (even one full auto) and a few more couldn't hurt. I'm ready for WWIII over here...

Originally Posted by lincpimp

Maybe I am wrong, but at least I am ready for something. Unless we get attacked by rainbows and love (guns are not effective to either) I should be ok. Or better off than some.

Who or what are you guys anticipating an attack by??

[Bondonutz]

Originally Posted by PBO

Who or what are you guys anticipating an attack by??

Who cares whom it is, could be anyone,group etc. Being ready is the important thing and I agree 110%. My home may be modest but I'll defend it and my family till my last breath.

[PBO]

Originally Posted by Bondonutz

Who cares whom it is, could be anyone,group etc. Being ready is the important thing and I agree 110%. My home may be modest but I'll defend it and my family till my last breath.

It must be another nation-centric thing...you'd be brave or stupid to attack my family, I'll die defending them. My home is insured & replaceable, I'll fight you for it but not dieing for bricks & mortar

Gun ownership in Australia is falling & IIRC is below 10% p/household while the US has (I'm guessing) > 50% p/household...?

From a purely logical mindset, how many people in the US actually defend their homes & family from anyone by using a gun?

From this far away, it does seem a little paranoid to stockpile arms against a potential threat, not saying it's wrong - just sounds weird. If you say that sort of thing in Australia (generally speaking) people start crossing you off their Xmas card list & crossing the road if they see you walking down the same side of the street...