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05.17.2007, 01:33 AM
I'll swear that it wasn't me. LOL
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05.17.2007, 01:42 AM
Well, that's music to my ears! I assure you, running 2p from 1p is HUGE, especially at speed, the higher holding voltage will give much more punch.
What gearing were you at? As 1p is really pushing these cells hard.
I find they are very capable indeed, let's be honest, that amount of power being safely delivers from 2.3Ah! :027:
The dumping is one of my favorite parts of these cells! It literally is ABRUPT, I have done high speed runs up and down streets, the whole run, same power; once I got to the other end, I turned around and had no power to get back! :eek: :005: hehe
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05.17.2007, 01:58 AM
With the tires that you see in the pic, I was geared 12/44. The only thing that concerns me about the A123s is that 10 cells weighs in excess of 700 grams. That's more than a 4S2P 8Ah pack. I just don't know if the capacity to weight ratio is worthwhile. I won't know until I can get an actual real world runtime on the A123 2P pack.
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05.17.2007, 02:35 AM
For me personally, I don't care for more runtime than 15-20 mins (18/51, 7XL), but the weight isn't heavy, it's just not as dense as LiPo (they sacrifice safety for energy). Another thing about the A123's is that they deliver more of their Ah rating compared to LiPo.
I will for sure let you know how my system compares to before with more caps on the Quark.
BTW, I used to have 1/8 Moabs on my 1/6 rally car (4wd). They were good all-around tires, on asphalt, dirt, and grass (drifting was super fun on grass)
“The modern astrophysical concept that ascribes the sun’s energy to thermonuclear reactions deep in the solar interior is contradicted by nearly every observable aspect of the sun.” —Ralph E. Juergens
Last edited by zeropointbug; 05.17.2007 at 02:36 AM.
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05.17.2007, 03:08 AM
wow, that looks like a totally different truck. it is great to see that the caps are working so well for you. I will wait to see a few more people test them and then I will have to pick some up to add to my mm.
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05.17.2007, 04:16 AM
Got the caps today Aangle. Thanks for the speedy delivery. I wired up a 5 cap stick and slodered it up tonight. I'm using my Matrix buggy as my test platform. I'm running 5s, Quark 80B and a 1512/2.5D and at 16/46 gearing it would get to thermal in about 5 minutes in grass even with a heatsink. I was running all day at 14/46. I'm going to see if it will allow me to run the 16/46 gearing now. I never had a cogging issue so I wont be able to coment on that part. (have to leave that to the folks running the MM, Quarks dont cog.)
I'm traveling for work tomorrow and friday and the "honey do" list is pretty long for Saturday. So hopefully I'll get some good weather on sunday and be able to put this to the test. If they help temps, every ESC I have will get them.
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05.17.2007, 10:48 AM
Capacitors; man's new best friend.
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05.17.2007, 11:15 AM
JHAUTZ: So they DID make a difference for you then? It's kinda hard to know from how you said it.
Capacitors are my best bud, they always have been. :027:
“The modern astrophysical concept that ascribes the sun’s energy to thermonuclear reactions deep in the solar interior is contradicted by nearly every observable aspect of the sun.” —Ralph E. Juergens
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05.17.2007, 11:22 AM
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JHAUTZ: So they DID make a difference for you then? It's kinda hard to know from how you said it.
Capacitors are my best bud, they always have been. :027:
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Haven't run it yet. I'll let you know Sunday.
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05.17.2007, 11:28 AM
I'll be waiting! :027:
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05.20.2007, 09:02 PM
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JHAUTZ: So they DID make a difference for you then? It's kinda hard to know from how you said it.
Capacitors are my best bud, they always have been. :027:
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Crappy weather today and didnt really get to run it much. (rain) I did get a to run it once but I got similar reslts with a thermal after about 5 minutes in the grass. BUT, let me tell you, the grass was tall and thick today so it could have been a big factor in the thermal. I'll tray and get it out again one night this wek and do a little more testing to get a better evaluation. From what I did today I cant really tell much of a difference though.
I used a 5 cap bundle added into the battery wires as close to the esc housing as I could get it. I can say.... I wasnt worse so I dont think it was huting anything.
I'll let you know what I see whe I get a chance to spend a little more time with it and get some more conclusive results.
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05.20.2007, 09:44 PM
Well, good to hear that. IMO, the leads are a little long on the caps (cap leads), but it should work decent. anything helps.
Do a good hard bashing, and quickly as possible touch the caps to see how warm they are. I still don't know what exactly I will do for mine. If I know how warm they run, I might just use shrink wrap on them. Seeing as CC uses it on theirs... just IMO, from what I have seen with computer motherboard caps, the MM look like they are better quality caps, and/or better performance. This is just based on the color of the writing, not decisive though.
“The modern astrophysical concept that ascribes the sun’s energy to thermonuclear reactions deep in the solar interior is contradicted by nearly every observable aspect of the sun.” —Ralph E. Juergens
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05.18.2007, 01:07 AM
I got my caps in on Wednesday, also a very fast delivery :005:. Unfortunately I haven't gotten around to soldering them up yet, but I am hoping to do that tomorrow. And, I do have some real testing to do: 7XL/MM on 5s2p A123 geared for ~41mph (or I can drop the spur teeth and run it at 47mph), and I have my Hyper 8, which is now running a Neu 1512 2.5D and MM, on Maxamps 4s 5000mah Lipo geared 18/46 (WAY too high, estimated 48mph top speed). The Hyper 8 is geared high enough that it cogs VIOLENTLY on startup about half the time, however, the MM has not yet thermalled even without a fan over it.
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05.18.2007, 02:47 PM
Finally capacitors being discovered by RC!!!
But keep in mind they only good if they close to FET's, very close, almost mounted on top of them. Cap per bank of FET's, otherwise you add inductance which doesn't help you at all, actually will cost you at higher RPM's...
While selecting capacitors in addition to ESR and Voltage check for 125C version.
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05.18.2007, 02:49 PM
Yeah, the 125C versions will last longer on higher temperatures.. I am curious what they do..
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