Novak's Nitro to Brushless Conversion Kits

This all sounds great.

Do you expect the new HV products to be race grade like say your GTB line or more consumer grade like say your XBR line?

DM

[NovakTwo]

Originally Posted by MacII

This all sounds great.

Do you expect the new HV products to be race grade like say your GTB line or more consumer grade like say your XBR line?

DM

They will probably be both, with a high end BL racing controller and a revamped 2-4s lipo HV-style controller---many users don't need anything more than 4s. We also sell quite a few Super Duty XR brush controllers for the E-Maxx size 1/10 scale trucks. The HV/Monster esc redesigns include several different products.

Then, there can be 1/8th scale electric (BL) racing....

[FG101C]

Why no kit for the Losi 8ight?

[Matthew_Armeni]

Originally Posted by FG101C

Why no kit for the Losi 8ight?

I will venture a guess that with Losi's flipped diff. installation was tight and required putting the pinion way out on the shaft, resulting in breakage. Room on the steering servo side is tight for a battery too.

[NovakTwo]

Originally Posted by FG101C

Why no kit for the Losi 8ight?

We were originally planning a Losi8 kit. Apparently the.. battery box we had made was too large, or something. I forwarded your comments to Bob for comment.

Music to my ears...

DM

[SpEEdyBL]

... so I can still have a revered setup! :)

j/k of course. Since center diff is mounted way toward the right, there is no room to have a pack on right side the chassis is my guess.

[Serum]

@novaktwo/Bob Novak;

The only problem/challenge i think you are facing is with the more than 3/4S powered setups;

since you use the original nitro motormount, and the centerdiff is shifted off center away from it, you might have a problem with position the batteries on the opposite side. room can be tight bellow the body and on the chassis. If the batteries fit, the balance of the batteries/motor is lost. The fact that your motor is rather light (much lighter than a Neu 1512 or 1515) the balance of the setup will be worse.

With all respect, i love your conversion and the idea to simple replace the center part of the motor is awesome, but this balance and tight room with the larger setups needs some tinkering in my opinion.

Thanks for chiming in Bob.

[NovakTwo]

Good inputs, Serum. I also sent your comments along to Bob.

Originally Posted by Serum

@novaktwo/Bob Novak;

The only problem/challenge i think you are facing is with the more than 3/4S powered setups;

since you use the original nitro motormount, and the centerdiff is shifted off center away from it, you might have a problem with position the batteries on the opposite side. room can be tight bellow the body and on the chassis. If the batteries fit, the balance of the batteries/motor is lost. The fact that your motor is rather light (much lighter than a Neu 1512 or 1515) the balance of the setup will be worse.

With all respect, i love your conversion and the idea to simple replace the center part of the motor is awesome, but this balance and tight room with the larger setups needs some tinkering in my opinion.

Thanks for chiming in Bob.

[Serum]

All thanks to China..

The prices of the mills and lathe's increased drastically here.. I think it would be a wise investment to buy tons and tons of metal..

I am anxious to see what Novak does to make the setups 6S capable, since the size of the rotors is playing part here, at a certain point the magnet is no longer capable of translating the electro magnetic force into rotation because of the copper and iron losses. Novak needs to think about a bigger rotor for their 6S setups.

I personally think you are delivering a large contribution to the world of brushless. Can you explain why you guys stick with sensored? it's not all about crawling, i mean a 6S setup would be a good reason/opportunity to loose the sensors and make the system breath pure and raw (yet cogging-less) power.

[SpEEdyBL]

Not EVERYONE wants sensorless. Some people like the startup smoothness and consistancy that current sensorless escs just do not have. Not only that but the fact that sensors limit the power capability of a system is a complete MYTH.

[Serum]

No, not everyone wants sensorless. I think the majority can do without sensors though.
And the most powerful setups available for rc cars ARE sensorless. Because sensors are simple not needed to make a comfortable and drivable setup. with a 60 mph setup i don't think you need a supersmooth startup which is .01 mph capable. If you buy an F1 you don't expect the smoothness of a towncar either.

My MGM 160/18 with Neu 1515/1y 4s is very smooth, any smoother would not be useful unless your crawling I would think...

[Serum]

sensor less can be smooth, and a sensored setup can be powerful.

I asked what the reason is why novak is sticking to sensored.

[suicideneil]

Given how smooth the quarks and the new MM updated software is, having a sensored system does seem less important. I can understand why novak keeps it though, sice most of their systems seem to be used for racing where low end smoothness is vital, and sensorless systems do suffer a little at low rpms, smooth programming or otherwise. Since the Hv series was aimed at bashers though having sensors does make the system idiot proof more or less, and not having to fiddle with throttle curves or startup power/timing etc is a relief for many. Depends how competent the user is really.

Please pass my thanks and appreciation to Bob and ... whats-his-name for me, I really do look forward to seeing the new systems, and a 6s setup would be great- need those bigger rotors though; 380 vs 540 = no contest.