MMM availibility date dropped!

[glassdoctor]

Just a guess here ... I think the MMM got scrapped at some point in the last year and they started from scratch, with the Sidewinder being part of the same development project.

I think that explains why MMM info got real vague and quiet for a while, and then we started hearing a lot more in the past few months about the same time word of the SW got out. For that matter, the new 1/18 speedo I think was in the same "project"... but it's not out yet either.

No doubt the MMM has given more trouble to get finished... and there has been a continued problem getting the motors too. Heck, they finally had to buy/build their own factory to get them made... so I'm told.

I've been upset about the whole thing at times, but I also understand how it can drag on for a long time.

Their mistake is talking about it. But... you know we all would want to know what's being developed by all the r/c companies, if we could make it that way.

[JERRY2KONE]

I kind of understand now why Robin at UE has been so tight lipped about his goings on. Once you open your mouth about anything people like us won't let it go for a minute. We are so hungry for any news about this that we are ready to burn the place down because we want what they've got.

The facts that I see are that CC has given us a good product in the past with the MM. It has run its course and done a pretty good job at that. Now that CC is planning to release something new (MMM) that we want for the monster truck junkies there are no excuses that will do for any delays. Its no wander why Joe hates comming on here to give us any kind of info. Don't get me wrong guys, I am on board with you, in that I cannot wait to get one and set it up on one of my trucks, but lets take a step back and give the man some breathing room. I think it is obvious that CC is comming out with the MMM any day now. Whatever their problems may be I am sure that Joe will work it out and get the MMM to us as soon as he possibly can.

[Mister-T]

Originally Posted by glassdoctor

Just a guess here ... I think the MMM got scrapped at some point in the last year and they started from scratch, with the Sidewinder being part of the same development project.

I think that explains why MMM info got real vague and quiet for a while, and then we started hearing a lot more in the past few months about the same time word of the SW got out. For that matter, the new 1/18 speedo I think was in the same "project"... but it's not out yet either.

No doubt the MMM has given more trouble to get finished... and there has been a continued problem getting the motors too. Heck, they finally had to buy/build their own factory to get them made... so I'm told.

I've been upset about the whole thing at times, but I also understand how it can drag on for a long time.

Their mistake is talking about it. But... you know we all would want to know what's being developed by all the r/c companies, if we could make it that way.

So that's it, I have read on a forum that castle did have something like 40 employee in china. I was really curious when i read that because I was really convinced that castle was OEMing there motor to an existing factory, after read the post on that forum I guess that they did partially own that factory.

But in fact it's much bigger than that, If glassdoctor affirmation are true, CC do have there own factory in china...
I already believe that Castle did make more profit margin on motor than on there ESC, that probably be even more true in the future.
The good point is that allow us to have good quality motor for a decent price.

[Mister-T]

From Rcgroups forum, Mr del castillo

"This is why we no longer share with the public what projects we are working on. The Mamba Monster Maxx was the last. If people cannot deal with the time required to finalize a product, test it, and get packaging ready, then we won't release ANY advanced information.

You will now need to wait until the product is released to learn anything about it.

And yes, we ARE RELEASING the Monster Maxx BEFORE the motor is ready. We won't have a motor until early - mid summer. The ESC will be released as soon as we have a case ready. And no, we are not purposely holding back the release FOR ANY REASON. That would be stupid and pointless."


Patrick

[JERRY2KONE]

WOW, I see that really quieted things down a bit. Like I mentioned in one of my earlier posts in another thread, don't waste your time and effort on negativity, because you will only have to overcome it later. Put your efforts on positive things and lifting others up not putting them down.

The bottom line is that CC will release the MMM when it is ready. WE can either be patient for that time, or purchase something else in the meantime. Yes there are other options out there, but we all know that the MMM is something that we want in our RC arsinol. Can we all play nice nice now?

[rhylsadar]

you are right jerry2kone. people should really calm down a bit. seems like some dudes have nothing else to do than just 'waiting for the mmm'. i dont understand how people can get to big for one's boots and think that with some trash talking they could change or influence anything. rc people in the web are not the market, they are just a share of it. its not that companys would react to some 'talking' in internet forums. now you can see what the result is. they will not share any pre-release infos in the future. new products hit the market when they hit the market. then you can buy it or not. its as simple as that.

bye
rhylsadar

[jhautz]

Originally Posted by Mister-T

From Rcgroups forum, Mr del castillo

"This is why we no longer share with the public what projects we are working on. The Mamba Monster Maxx was the last. If people cannot deal with the time required to finalize a product, test it, and get packaging ready, then we won't release ANY advanced information.

You will now need to wait until the product is released to learn anything about it.

And yes, we ARE RELEASING the Monster Maxx BEFORE the motor is ready. We won't have a motor until early - mid summer. The ESC will be released as soon as we have a case ready. And no, we are not purposely holding back the release FOR ANY REASON. That would be stupid and pointless."


Patrick

They keep talking about how they no longer share the information with the public.... yet they keep yapping it up. This is a perfect example of "stupid and pointless"

Why not just shut up and do it. These guys are their own worst enemy and from the tone it sounds like they are getting mad at the consumers for actually thinking that they should deliver what they said they were going to deliver.

Did I hear a new date rining in that statement.... early to mid summer....

STOP IT MAN!!!! JUST STOP IT!!!!! If you stop telling people dates they will stop expecting them and stop getting on your case when you don't deliver.

[team3six]

Well, Here is my two cents.

I think the main reason just about all of us are upset about this is not only is Castle aware that we are looking forward to the release of the MMM, but they keep dropping date after date after date! The problem is just that! I have personaly dealt with Castle for along time and I rarely have ever seen so much political mumbo jumbo as with the release of this MMM. I honestly hope that Dan and the gang at Castle are reading these posts because honestly we the consumers are your best friends and your worst enemy! You keep bitting the hand that feeds you and eventually your gonna have to be put down. Quit making empty statements and promises of dates and then get caught in your own words. Your running a business based on a limited consumer where it is a must to be presise in what you say and how you say it! In the business I am in, No matter what the weather is. If we say we are going to get it done by that date, it's getting done. No and, if, or buts. There is no room for error and objectives need to be set in stone with a reasonably set time limit. You dont go to McDonalds drive thru to make an order and when you get to the window they tell you to return next week for your order! And if we are talking about apple to oranges, Well you dont go to a store to buy a computer to have them tell you it will be built by next year and we will call you!

The one point that castle should realize is that alot of us here are waiting for that package! Not just the ESC, But the whole deal! Im just affraid that my patience as a faithful consumer for over 3 years who has done nothing less then praise Castle with everyone intrested in Electronics. Im affraid that my relationship with Castle might end based on the one pet peeve that annoys me to no end! I hate being lied to.

Now I might be one person, but words have a way of spreading and so do results. With results like this following email (posted below) from Castle, I have no doubt that the business practices that Castle displays only reflects the true meaning of what we as consumers mean to Castle Creations.

On an end note I will say this. Besides the wrong of posting dates and making false statements. I can only hope that I am wrong and Castle will return us with respect for our dedication and patience. Look at the Microsoft XBOX, we all waited, those who got it and in that wait we recieved what pressure to meet dates can get us. CRAP! 1 out 4 XBOX'S crash. And this was supposed to be the god send of gaming technology. Lets hope Castle doesnt give us the same results.

(the email sent to me today from Castle)

"Not allowed to give out any more information per the owner of the
company. Too many people getting upset that it's taking a while to get
final product development done."

Joe Ford
Product Specialist
Castle Creations

[glassdoctor]

Another example of great marketing/timing: Mircrosoft

[johnrobholmes]

A few of you guys really are taking this overboard, and it is evident to me that you have never tried to build a single product from parts sourced from multiple manufacturers. It isn't as simple as just giving the company trouble, if parts aren't available they aren't available. Pushing them may speed the process, but it doesn't change the fact that there is a holdup.

[TexasSP]

Ditto on vista.

A few of you guys really are taking this overboard, and it is evident to me that you have never tried to build a single product from parts sourced from multiple manufacturers. It isn't as simple as just giving the company trouble, if parts aren't available they aren't available. Pushing them may speed the process, but it doesn't change the fact that there is a holdup.

Well put, I just went through the same thing last year doing spec work and putting new controls systems on some of our machines for a new plant. There is so much with programming and working out little things that it can drag out easily. Often one change here necessitates another change somewhere else and it becomes a vicious cycle. Then having to deal with sales people making promises for machines to licensees that I haven't even finished testing and so on. It was a rough time, and as much as you want to put out preliminary dates and keep on schedule, many things just happen that are out of anyones control. So until someone comes up with a magic wand it will always be this way.

In reality the only mistake CC has made is the fact that they released info too early which they have obviously learned from. The good thing of this all is that the ESC will be released, will be an excellent product, and backed by some of the best support in the business.

So if your sitting around holding your breath waiting, STOP! Breathe and go on with life, then the next thing you know, it will be released.

[ssspconcepts]

I am not going to dig up all CC's quotes...but there are a lot of inconsistencies. Last I knew they were waiting for injected molded parts. My issue isn't with their timeliness to market...it is with the inconsistent manner in which they have provided information to the buyers.

As a contractor, I manage parts/pieces of some very unique gov't programs, which involve providing deliverables to specific clients...and we depend on all sorts of sub contractors. Fundamentally we are sort of an integration facilitator--it's worth noting that we are a small business. So believe me, I understand the challenges of making milestones and deadlines...but rarely (very rarely) do we miss milestones/deadlines-especially when they are indigenous to our area of specialization. If we have support subcontractors (e.g., like the folks injection molding parts) that can't make their milestones we find other alternatives. This often translates into increased costs to the client, but they are generally happy to pay. And one practice we never engage in is telling the client that "we are going to make the deadline of X..we are just waiting for Y" --especially when there is something more going on behind the scenes than just waiting for "Y."

This is the point my earlier post was attempting to make.

Some of you may not agree--but this is my opinion and that is the purpose of forums--to share knowledge and express opinions.

[Arct1k]

I wish my management team would be so happy with a year late project... Today I gave up on the motor and bought a 1515F (for 225)...

I'll run on the MM for now and hope to get a MMM for more Volts. I hope that the MMM hits the street for 160-180ish. $300 as a combo is a bargain.

I think the only information that they gave out that caused them problems was the "coming soon". For most of coming soon means two or three months. Since CC puts out well performing products a lot of people are excited that something this good could come out that soon. I think they would had a lot less flak if they would had no "Coming Soon" attached to something that at the time was no where near done.

I think most of just can't wait because it would seem that this ESC is going to be much better then anything else out there and it's hard to wait when there aren't to many other good choices out there.

[MetalMan]

I can totally understand what has been going on with CC - but I can still recall a time almost two years ago prior to the beginning of beta testing the MM, we were also supposedly going to test the MMM... obviously that didn't happen.