Second Batch

[FG101C]

Beta testers don't usually have to pay for the product they are testing though.

[ogrfre01]

i Think CC is doing a good job under the surcimstances. The only thing that is missing (IMO) is more information from CC. Like, the problem IS ........ We are making these changes....... The ETA is.......

[Arct1k]

Like this you mean :



We have to re-tool to use the new part.... But we are almost done, got about two weeks before they are coming off the production line again

Patrick...

[tc3_racer_001]

10 days eta. enough to fulfill ALL of mikes orders. within the month most should have them, and mike will have to sell that ferrarri

there is alot of difference with changing parts only or redesigning the part of the board where a new part will be. if the parts are almost identical in everyway, its a matter of just loading the component reel on the feeder ,reprogramming the fuji or DEK then away you go . however if the supplier sold the new components in tubes then its more time consuming, even morseo if the part is not the same dimensionally. this means board design changes, solder paste screens need to be made, gerber files to be modified and in some cases completely new pcbs made,a different feeder needs to be jigged up and then a full QA check along with new functional testing. we do part changes often with products 100 times more complex but speed comes down to how big the work force is and how much experience they have. we do take alot for granted and its not like replacing a light bulb. i too am awaiting my mmm, unfortunately i know what goes on and its not a weekend thing.

[Pdelcast]

Originally Posted by 123revo

there is alot of difference with changing parts only or redesigning the part of the board where a new part will be. if the parts are almost identical in everyway, its a matter of just loading the component reel on the feeder ,reprogramming the fuji or DEK then away you go . however if the supplier sold the new components in tubes then its more time consuming, even morseo if the part is not the same dimensionally. this means board design changes, solder paste screens need to be made, gerber files to be modified and in some cases completely new pcbs made,a different feeder needs to be jigged up and then a full QA check along with new functional testing. we do part changes often with products 100 times more complex but speed comes down to how big the work force is and how much experience they have. we do take alot for granted and its not like replacing a light bulb. i too am awaiting my mmm, unfortunately i know what goes on and its not a weekend thing.

Yep.

So far: Circuit board changes are complete. Gerbers have been produced, and new PCBs are in process, should have them next Friday. Stencils are ordered, should have them Wednesday. Machine reprogramming should happen sometime next week.

Enough details?

[GorillaMaxx360]

Originally Posted by Pdelcast

Yep.

So far: Circuit board changes are complete. Gerbers have been produced, and new PCBs are in process, should have them next Friday. Stencils are ordered, should have them Wednesday. Machine reprogramming should happen sometime next week.

Enough details?

i appreciate the hard work,

Originally Posted by Pdelcast

Yep.

So far: Circuit board changes are complete. Gerbers have been produced, and new PCBs are in process, should have them next Friday. Stencils are ordered, should have them Wednesday. Machine reprogramming should happen sometime next week.

Enough details?

As always we all appreciate your thorough answers however as a plain old consumer, I don't have any idea how what you said translates into when I'll have a finished product in my hands. I know it's like asking you to look into a crystal ball but approximately when are they going to be shipping again? I don't need to know when x or y is being built or any of that, all I want to know is when the boxes will be going out to customers again?

as most of CC work and research is done in house i assume, they have an advantage over a customer who has approached a said electronics manufacturer to build a turnkey (final product) or partial pcb (piece meal pita).

alot of work goes into board design in essence alot money is "wasted"(invested) testing the design. most companies will refrain from alpha test board runs and will leave alot to alpha theory testing only with no expense on materials. all board designs are done using a circuit board designer then the design is then either made into pcb in house or sent to a mass manufacturer for full run. if in fact cc sent the full run and then are now required to redesign the board then theres alot of money gone right there as it is. imagine running 10,000 circuit board runs only to find you have a random few that fail? do you proceed with the full 10k and cop it on the chin or do you halt it knowing you will lose the capital for board production and also lose the use of some components? you do the right thing and do a full recall in some cases depending on how critical the product is ie medical, defence end consumer. some recalls are emphatic flaws as opposed to random.

in essence CC have used alot of money as well to have to "re-tool". this is a very light term.

retools involve depending on type or product for industry.

new pcb and design, think a team working 24/7 until its right.more time more $$$

design is sent to circuit board maker, circuit boards are made.more time more $$$

solder paste stencils redesigned and sent off for modding, these things in most cases are laser cut onto high tension aluminium and worth a fortune.the stencils allow to screen solder paste onto a circuit board so it not only holds the components in place, it allows solder to flow properly onto the board through the solder oven. think a huge oven with a pool of molten solder. more time more $$$

gerber files are modded by designer for the changes made and uploaded.more time.

dek or fuji, which is the pick and place machine that shoots electronic components onto the circuit board is configured for the new feeder and part loader. sometimes very time consuming.

stencils and boards come back from the manufacturers ready for loading. more time.

then its battle stations as the machines run flat out. more time more $$$

then functional testing for the final end product, this finds slight abnormalities if any in the boards mainly due to vibration through the pick and place machine. low margin of error depending on the operator but is prone to happen. functional tests push currents through certain points on the board to test parts of the circuit. alot more time and $$$

then the real world test, who ever the lucky person is that brings there MT to work for the sole purpose of testing. much much more time.

thats a very very brief rundown of EMS in plain english terms.

the machines that produce these items for electronic industry depending on what is used is upward of 2.5 to 3 million USD!!!!!! function test machines alone are circa 300 to 500 thousand dollars. then you have to staff them.

we should be so grateful

[Arct1k]

Ouch I dread to think how much this has cost you!

[TruckBasher]

Patrick is very active. Glad to have this kind of involvement from a vendor.

I have one question though Patrick, I order MMM from a different site and they say that they should get the ESC from CC on the 24th of June. Does this mean I'll be getting the old (possibly faulty) one? Hope not.

[Pdelcast]

Originally Posted by TruckBasher

Patrick is very active. Glad to have this kind of involvement from a vendor.

I have one question though Patrick, I order MMM from a different site and they say that they should get the ESC from CC on the 24th of June. Does this mean I'll be getting the old (possibly faulty) one? Hope not.

That's from an old shipment estimate. You will be getting one from the new batch.

[killermmn]

patrick do will have a huge bacht is time??

[Arct1k]

It means they have out of date info - You are getting it from the proverbial horse on RCM!

[hemiblas]

Sweet. I am excited to get my MMM. My old mtronics has been acting funny and its either the MMM or build a V-twin which I am really not wanting to do.