Castle 2200 on 4s or 6s

So me and a couple others are having a little debate over which would be better with the Castle motor.I would love to hear what someone from Castle,and others has to say about it.IMO 6s puts the motor to high in the RPM range for everyday bashing.For occasional speed runs it should do good on 6s, but 50000 rpms seem to high for every day bashing.Since I have no Neu,are they happy in the 50000 rpm range?Actually it would seem to me like 5s would probably do good,maybe the sweet spot?But still a little high?

[JaySki]

Originally Posted by asheck

So me and a couple others are having a little debate over which would be better with the Castle motor.I would love to hear what someone from Castle,and others has to say about it.IMO 6s puts the motor to high in the RPM range for everyday bashing.For occasional speed runs it should do good on 6s, but 50000 rpms seem to high for every day bashing.Since I have no Neu,are they happy in the 50000 rpm range?Actually it would seem to me like 5s would probably do good,maybe the sweet spot?But still a little high?

I ran the NEU 1515 1Y on both 4S and 6S yesterday...
You are right in that it pushes the RPM to the upper end of the motor specs.
4S is around 35-40K which would be a sweet spot IMO. Geared at 22/56 on 4S puts you in the mid 40s for speed. 6S puts you at about 60MPH with still a LOT of torque to lift the front end up and over even while already moving at 40MPHish. Hitting the throttle of 6S from a stop would either burn up the slipper rather quickly, tear up your tires rather quickly, or tear up the drivetrain quickly. So, even if you geared for slower speeds, the torque increase will just be too undriveable.

[Mozzy]

Sounds good though!

[George16]

Hitting the throttle of 6S from a stop would either burn up the slipper rather quickly, tear up your tires rather quickly, or tear up the drivetrain quickly.

I always get standing forward or backward flips when I blip the throttle . My slipper is still intact but I did snapped an output shaft on my gmaxx tranny before.

[Finnster]

I think its really about he power level you want. 4S is good power, BB nitro-like speeds with more TQ and accel. Very drivable and reasonable on the drivelines.

6S on a 1Y is like an A-bomb. Over the top power and likely to cause a driveline meltdown if left in the wrong hands. Extreme care is advised.

So it comes down to what you want. If 45mph is fine, and looking for trackable speeds, then go w/ 4S. If you want a out of control driveline shredding wheelie monster, then go all out on 6S.

[lincpimp]

Plus if you have it geared for 60mph on 6s you will need good lipos to do it. I would say that enerland 6000 25c cells would be best, or a pair of smaller 6s packs in parallel. Maxamps users need not apply here...

Most have great success with the 1y on 4s. I have a 1.5d on 4s and it is a bit much. I keep gearing it up and it never really gets hot, but the lipos are getting warm. I would like to pick up a 1y and see how it does. For 40-45mph in a MT I think it would be just fine...

[Arct1k]

I'm using the CC 1Y on 4s in the truggy (hyper ST) for racing but am just about to swap out tonight the 2.5D for another CC 1Y into my G3R on 6s2p A123 for bashing.

I already upgraded the Diff to hybrids so I think the input shaft will be the weak link...

[JaySki]

Originally Posted by lincpimp

Plus if you have it geared for 60mph on 6s you will need good lipos to do it. I would say that enerland 6000 25c cells would be best, or a pair of smaller 6s packs in parallel. Maxamps users need not apply here...

Most have great success with the 1y on 4s. I have a 1.5d on 4s and it is a bit much. I keep gearing it up and it never really gets hot, but the lipos are getting warm. I would like to pick up a 1y and see how it does. For 40-45mph in a MT I think it would be just fine...

I fully agree. The 1Y is much better on 4S and seems to run stone solid with great temps.

My only reason for pushing 6S was to just push in the MMM. 60 in that thing is dang near flight lift off. Phaltlines are now pretty much unglued, the Slipper smoked a little, so I know it's a recipe for destruction.

[Bernie Wolfard]

Great thread! All of the responses so far are spot on.

One of the things we do at Castle Creations is answer the question "What is too much power." We can’t seem help ourselves. The 1515/1Y Neu or our 2200 Kv motor (same basic motor) on 6s, IMHO, is an example of too much power. It is a car breaker and uncontrollable in anything but a straight line. While it will break cars, the power system will survive. These motors are rated to 60,000 RPM. The RPM the motor will reach on 6s will not damage or degrade the motor, just the car. I do not find 6s very much fun; in fact it feels like standing in a large parking lot shredding $100.00 bills. It is too much or just plain stupid power.

4s on the 2200 is the sweet spot. It is drivable, race-able and will eat Nitro for lunch. It is just plain fun and makes you giggle as you drive.

Our 2650 is actually a Neu 1512/1Y not the 1.5D. The Neu 1512/1.5D is a 3300 Kv motor, which will be a monster on 4s and needs really good batteries as it will pull massive amount of amps. Our 2650 is for lighter 1/8th scale buggies and IMHO is a handful on 4s. It is, however, capable of 6s as long as you have some expendable cash and the wrenching time.

Important note: When running a Neu D wind motor set your ‘Motor Timing’ in the ESC to ‘Lowest.’ According to Steve Neu these motors don’t respond to timing but with higher settings can cause battery and ESC problems.

Bernie

[brushlessboy16]

very good write up, i was running my castle 1y on 5s in a truggy, pure insanity. quickly found out that my wheels werent balanced well... :D

[JaySki]

Originally Posted by brushlessboy16

very good write up, i was running my castle 1y on 5s in a truggy, pure insanity. quickly found out that my wheels werent balanced well... :D

That's exactly my next task.. Wheel balancing.

[JaySki]

Originally Posted by Bernie Wolfard

Great thread! All if the responses so far are spot on.

One of the things we do at Castle Creations is answer the question "What is too much power." We can’t seem help ourselves. The 1515/1Y Neu or our 2200 Kv motor (same basic motor) on 6s, IMHO, is an example of too much power. It is a car breaker and uncontrollable in anything but a straight line. While it will break cars, the power system will survive. These motors are rated to 60,000 RPM. The RPM the motor will reach on 6s will not damage or degrade the motor, just the car. I do not find 6s very much fun; in fact it feels like standing in a large parking lot shredding $100.00 bills. It is too much or just plain stupid power.

4s on the 2200 is the sweet spot. It is drivable, race-able and will eat Nitro for lunch. It is just plain fun and makes you giggle as you drive.

Our 2650 is actually a Neu 1512/1Y not the 1.5D. The Neu 1512/1.5D is a 3300 Kv motor, which will be a monster on 4s and needs really good batteries as it will pull massive amount of amps. Our 2650 is for lighter 1/8th scale buggies and IMHO is a handful on 4s. It is, however, capable of 6s as long as you have some expendable cash and the wrenching time.

Important note: When running a Neu D wind motor set your ‘Motor Timing’ in the ESC to ‘Lowest.’ According to Steve Neu these motors don’t respond to timing but with higher settings can cause battery and ESC problems.

Bernie

I was actually standing inthat very parking let yesterday!

[brushlessboy16]

I just hopped off the phone with bernie, what a great guy :D

Told me everything i could ever need to know.

Its funny scaring all the nitro guys with a near silent truck...


As I told bernie, its fun beating up on the nitro guys..... toasting them in a drag race, then realizing your throttle epa is only at 80%...

[Dragonfueled]

How do you guys get such low motor temps? My 15151y was getting to 150-165 ish when it was like 75 out. Its only geared to about 38mph. Now I dont do speed runs just constant racing and bashing is that why?

[brushlessboy16]

I have had my motor up to 150 or so, its the castle 1y though, could you have a fault in your motor?