WTF is wrong with some people?

[Metallover]

I think global population is going to be an issue in the next 50-100 years. The earth can only hold so many people and population growth is expodential. I learned in biology that it will reach a carrying capacity. There will probalby be extreme famine, war, pollution,, or an apocolypse.

I say we follow china's example and start a child limit. Maybe if every couple is allowed two babies, the world would be a better place. If you didn't want children you could give or sell the rights to have your children to another family who can afford it.

[skellyo]

You know the worst part...it seems it's usually the trash of society that has an easy time popping out kids by the carload. Then you have some folks that are responsible members of society that have trouble having kids. Such a shame.

Folks like the one in this article make welfare seem like such a waste. The sad part part is that the govt handing out $ like it grows on trees only breeds more of the parasites/beggars.

[suicideneil]

Funny, when ever I or anyone else suggested what BrianG said on another forum I frequent, you always end up with comments comparing the idea to the Nazi regime of sterilizing 'non-desireables'. I dunno, hitler was an evil bastard, but reducing the number of freeloaders and benefit scroungers buy limiting the number of children they can have doesnt sound like the worst thing ever, especially when those people only have kids purely for the benefits ££$$ and free council house, having never worked a day in their lives. Once such lovely lady in the UK has had every olne of her 13/14 kids taken away and put into care one after the other (after giving birth) as she and her partner were concidered unfit parents- unemployed and living in filth.

I have nothing against people having lots of children, or being in a deprived area and having kids ( I grew up on a council estate :P ), but using kids as a means to an end is unethical, probably why the a large number of kids from deprived areas dont go to school and run around stabbing eachother so often = parents couldnt care less about them in real terms.

[redshift]

While I cam agree overpopulation will decrease the quality of life for the living, I do not agree with the argument that a given # of people is not sustainable. Earth has vast overlooked and wasted resources, it comes down to the responsibility of various nations' governments and corporations, and people will always come dead LAST.

I get called 'selfish' occasionally for not wanting children.

Well let's look at that closer, shall we?

I am selfish for assuming my offspring's quality of life will NOT be better than mine.
I am selfish for not wanting to enslave myself for 18-45 years.
For that matter I will never understand what motivates some people to breed, when they have given themselves NO time to find out who they are, or what THEY truly want.
NOT what society deems normal and appropriate. Blind sheep just following the smell of previous lamb's defecation, most people seem to me, all too willing to lead the cookie-cutter life.

In short, I'm not parent material. And I KNOW it. But way waaaaaaay too many parents find that out a little too late.

It's not out of any dislike for kids, or any weird dysfunctions, but just out of my general opinion of life on planet Shit, errr Earth.

I do wish more people would think a little longer about it... for you good parents out there who KNOW you are good parents, big kudos... takes some serious dedication.

[lincpimp]

Originally Posted by Freezebyte

Seriously, Its MY tax paying money that has to pay for dumb, lazy and just plain rude people who pull crap like this. I'm sorry, hate me all you want but I have to say



Me or the girlfriend are gonna get our repo organs shut down/removed so we don't become a burden on society like so many of these morons do. Plus we just don't want kids period, we enjoying be selfish with our time and money together

http://bostonherald.com/news/regiona...ainst_my_will/

While the wife and I do plan to have KID (I want 1 and she wants 2...) I do agree that not having kids sure sounds like a great way to save money and time. Hell, I am putting off building my next house cause I just do not think my wife and I will have enough time to run our business, raise a child and oversee a house build. I do agree with BG, something needs to be done to stop the breeding. I feel like the earth is getting close to max capacity, especially if everyone wants to live like people in america do. I see no reason to diminish the quality of my life because some idiot in another country can't seem to understand how the tab A slot B thing works...

[lincpimp]

Just read the article... Another freeloader who is so bored that she has kids to fill the void... What an idiot. I think euthanasia would be better than sterilization for this one...

[PBO]

Yep, children should be considered a privilege not a right

Though not sure where all the minimum wages earners would come from if you scraped off the Epsilon Minuses from society...?

Edit: I have a relative who thinks her reproductive organ is a clown car, they're running out of 'normal' names

[_paralyzed_]

Originally Posted by lincpimp

While the wife and I do plan to have KID..

Good god no. You'd have to cut back even more on r/c.

Originally Posted by lincpimp

Just read the article... Another freeloader who is so bored that she has kids to fill the void... What an idiot. I think euthanasia would be better than sterilization for this one...

Would have saved a lawsuit!

Originally Posted by PBO

Edit: I have a relative who thinks her reproductive organ is a clown car, they're running out of 'normal' names

that's funny

[TexasSP]

The simple fact is that parenting is hard work and takes effort. Most people who are parents refuse to do this which is why their kids are annoying little brats pining for attention. My wife and I work with our son everyday even when we would rather just say screw it and let him do what he wants. It annoys me to no end when people try and tell us how lucky we are that our kid is so good. I can guarantee that he has as much potential to be a PIA just like the next kid, we just don't let him get away with it. When he goes to far he also gets spanked, not beaten, spanked, there is a huge difference (although the whiny libs can't figure that out). The funny thing is that despite our semi strict discipline he is always happy and smiling, go figure. According to the latest psycho babblers he should be miserable and hate himself and us too, although it's generally the psycho babblers kids that have the most issues. I am in no way against psychology, my wife has a degree in it after all.

Anyway, people should have a plan when the have kids. How they will raise them, feed them, discipline them, and so on. From the second they are born they are learning. You can't wait until their 5 and start trying to teach them things.

As for the Duggers, how can anyone fault them. Those are some of the most useful and best behaved children I have ever seen. They all seem to have their crap together and I don't see anyone in that family living off my tax money so more power to them. I will bet money that every one of their children will be a productive member of society.

If you want kids and have a plan, then go for it. If you don't then don't. It's not my position to judge people who do not want children. I am much more in favor of that than morons popping out unseen numbers of useless little urchins who bring nothing productive to this planet.

Anyway, off my soap box now.

[Overdriven]

When I think of the feeloading type of baby makers, and them overpopulating the world, I think of the movie Idiocracy.

I can't resist these discussions, as you can tell from my avatar.

First off, I don't see why we can't have in place a policy where if you are on government assistance and you have 2 kids, that is it. The assistance amount won't go up from there. Here is VA it is staggering, the more kids the welfare people pop out the more they get. So with the 2 kid limit, you can have all you want and no one is infringing on your rights, but the tax payers don't have to keep paying for you spreading your legs. I also think this should apply to the men that father these children too. If you have 2 little ones linked to you, then any woman you get pregnant gets nothing unless she takes your worthless a$$ to court.

Second, as far as the Duggar's are concerned, I think it is great that they have such a big family. Before you criticize them, you should check out there life style. They pay cash for everything, they use a system similar to Dave Ramsey. They get no help from the government and I very seriously doubt that there children will end up like a lot of welfare kids, who are on "the system" themselves when they are old enough. I just can't think of the guy they subscribe too, but here is Dave's website to give you an idea of how they handle their finances.

http://www.daveramsey.com/

Third, the whole notion of over population is another one of these Global warming, the sky is falling things liberals come up with to scare people into doing what they want them too.

http://www.washingtontimes.com/news/...pulation-myth/

Evil conservative rant over.

[_paralyzed_]

Originally Posted by 76Bentley

Second, as far as the Duggar's are concerned, I think it is great that they have such a big family. Before you criticize them, you should check out there life style. They pay cash for everything, they use a system similar to Dave Ramsey. They get no help from the government and I very seriously doubt that there children will end up like a lot of welfare kids, who are on "the system" themselves when they are old enough. I just can't think of the guy they subscribe too, but here is Dave's website to give you an idea of how they handle their finances.

http://www.daveramsey.com/

Third, the whole notion of over population is another one of these Global warming, the sky is falling things liberals come up with to scare people into doing what they want them too.

http://www.washingtontimes.com/news/...pulation-myth/

Evil conservative rant over.

19 kids is ridiculous however they are raised or live. But they're happy, so more power to them. Plus if they ever do fall on hard times they could all live in Ma's vagina.

And as far as the population "myth"- looking only at numbers they are correct, but what about resources? Non renewable ones? And what about the floating garbage islands in the ocean? There are too many people!! We are depleting resources and ruining the environment. Chemicals in the ocean that come from decaying plastics have been linked to increasing numbers of birth defects and could possibly be the source for autism and other maladies. No matter how you spin it, we are a plague on the earth. Luckily, I'm smarter than the average bear, so me and mine will be just fine. For now.......

[PBO]

Originally Posted by _paralyzed_

19 kids is ridiculous however they are raised or live. But they're happy, so more power to them. Plus if they ever do fall on hard times they could all live in Ma's vagina.

Haha

19 is pretty ridiculous, someone is going to be starved of attention...if you apply some general unfounded statistics you'd say with 19 kids you're going to have issues with a couple of them before they leave home

Let's say Ma is awake 16hrs a day...that's less than 1hr p/child p/day. If a couple go off the rails, get sick or something else the 50mins p/child starts looking like 5-10mins p/day. It can't be a truly normal household can it?

Originally Posted by _paralyzed_

19 kids is ridiculous however they are raised or live. But they're happy, so more power to them. Plus if they ever do fall on hard times they could all live in Ma's vagina.

And as far as the population "myth"- looking only at numbers they are correct, but what about resources? Non renewable ones? And what about the floating garbage islands in the ocean? There are too many people!! We are depleting resources and ruining the environment. Chemicals in the ocean that come from decaying plastics have been linked to increasing numbers of birth defects and could possibly be the source for autism and other maladies. No matter how you spin it, we are a plague on the earth. Luckily, I'm smarter than the average bear, so me and mine will be just fine. For now.......

Are you serious, we are a plague on the Earth. Little melodramatic isn't it?

It is all point of view. For every problem there is a solution. For instance, the garbage you are concerned about is now being transformed in to diesel fuel.

http://www.coskata.com/

And as far as resources go, our country for years has had the ability to grow more food than anyone can imagine. Google "Goverment payment for farmers not to grow crops" Tons of stuff comes up. Most recently food shortages came from the stupid policies supporting ethanol. Corn in the gas tank means no corn on the table. A fine example of the government screwing things up.

And if you are talking about non-renewable resources, I assume you mean oil and gasoline. Yes that will run out one day, but new tech is allowing us to get to deposits that once upon a time that we could not. Not to mention that there are loads of places in the US that we are not allowed to get the oil. And even then, the US is the Saudi Arabia of coal, hundreds of years worth. Not to mention, the technology is there, it is just a gallon of gas is more bang for the buck than the alternatives. I would imagine, baring any bone head political moves, that as the alternatives either 1. become cheaper through advancement or 2. become cheaper as traditional oil becomes more expensive will replace it.



And yes, no one will argue the need to ensure chemicals and other pollutants stay out of the air and water. But I would say it is better now than it has been in a long time. We are on the verge of all kinds of medical and scientific break throughs that will correct mistakes we have made and ones we will make in the future. Gene therapy, nano technology, and vaccines the likes of which my grandmother and her generation could have never dreamed.

And as far as numbers go, that was why I posted a link to that book, most industrialized societies are going to experience a population decline in the coming decades.

But you are welcomed to your opinion. And I will leave it at that.

"I'd like to share a revelation i've had, during my time here. It came to me when I was trying to classify your species, and it turns out your not actually mammals. Every mammal on this planet develops an equilibrium with its environment but you humans do not. You multiply and spread and consume every every natural resource, and the only way you can survive is to spread to another area.

There is another organism that follows the same path. Do you know what is it? A virus..... You humans are a disease, a cancer of this planet, you are a plauge. And we.... are the cure"